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Modern "designers" hate that input boxes are just that: visually recognizable accessible input boxes. They go out of their way to make it anything but an easily

Modern "designers" hate that input boxes are just that: visually recognizable accessible input boxes. They go out of their way to make it anything but an easily recognizable input box. "Oh, why don't we make it just a white field on a white background with just an underlines and perhaps invisible light gray borders. And for disabled state we'll make it an unreadable gray on gray" You see it everywhere. That 600 people study that Google did for Material Design? It's infuriating, through and through: "Enclosed text fields with a rectangular (box) shape performed better than those with a line affordance" https://medium.com/google-design/the-evolution-of-material-designs-text-fields-603688b3fe03 https://medium.com/google-design/the-evolution-of-material-d... Compare and contrast with people who actually think about these things: https://design-system.service.gov.uk/components/text-input/ https://design-system.service.gov.uk/components/text-input/

SebastianKra 4y ago
If contrast is an issue to you, check out accessibility options or monitor settings. Maximizing contrast everywhere usually sacrifices readability elsewhere. (Almost like everything in design is a trade-off.) Gov.uk is a government site that has to accessible to absolutely everyone, including tech-illiterate users. It also has a comparatively low density.
- illiarian 4y ago
  > If contrast is an issue to you, check out accessibility options or monitor settings. No. It's not the job of the user to make thin near-invisible lines or gray-on-gray text legible > Gov.uk is a government site that has to accessible to absolutely everyone, Exactly. And how is this a bad thing?
  - SebastianKra 4y ago
    If a design was chosen to work best for the majority of users but it doesn't work for you, then accessibility settings can help to accommodate you. I think the "Increase Contrast" setting on MacOS does exactly what you want. The one in Windows 11 also seems quite decent. Maybe if you try it out, you'll realize why it isn't the default. > how is [the uncompromising accessibility of Gov.uk] a bad thing? It only works because of it's low density. There's very little consideration for hierarchy or depth.
    - illiarian 4y ago
      > If a design was chosen to work best for the majority of users That it works for majority of users has to be proven > I think the "Increase Contrast" setting Will do nothing for nearly invisible lines or dark gray on slightly darker gray in the text input "designs" > It only works because of it's low density. That the PatternFly design will work at "high density" for some undefined definition if high density also has to be proven. Like Google, you may want to conduct a user study with 600 people to give you some common sense

SebastianKra 4y ago

If contrast is an issue to you, check out accessibility options or monitor settings. Maximizing contrast everywhere usually sacrifices readability elsewhere. (Almost like everything in design is a trade-off.) Gov.uk is a government site that has to accessible to absolutely everyone, including tech-illiterate users. It also has a comparatively low density.

illiarian 4y ago
> If contrast is an issue to you, check out accessibility options or monitor settings. No. It's not the job of the user to make thin near-invisible lines or gray-on-gray text legible > Gov.uk is a government site that has to accessible to absolutely everyone, Exactly. And how is this a bad thing?
- SebastianKra 4y ago
  If a design was chosen to work best for the majority of users but it doesn't work for you, then accessibility settings can help to accommodate you. I think the "Increase Contrast" setting on MacOS does exactly what you want. The one in Windows 11 also seems quite decent. Maybe if you try it out, you'll realize why it isn't the default. > how is [the uncompromising accessibility of Gov.uk] a bad thing? It only works because of it's low density. There's very little consideration for hierarchy or depth.
  - illiarian 4y ago
    > If a design was chosen to work best for the majority of users That it works for majority of users has to be proven > I think the "Increase Contrast" setting Will do nothing for nearly invisible lines or dark gray on slightly darker gray in the text input "designs" > It only works because of it's low density. That the PatternFly design will work at "high density" for some undefined definition if high density also has to be proven. Like Google, you may want to conduct a user study with 600 people to give you some common sense