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To clear this up, because open Holocaust denial is never OK: Thousands of jews were indeed murdered at Babi Yar, you can find their names online [0]. Paul Blob

To clear this up, because open Holocaust denial is never OK: Thousands of jews were indeed murdered at Babi Yar, you can find their names online [0]. Paul Blobel [1] was executed at Nuremberg for this. No serious source disputes the killing of jews at Babi Yar, be it the US, Germany (where this matter went to court), Israel, Ukraine, or Russia. 0: https://yvng.yadvashem.org/index.html?language=en&s_id=&s_lastName=&s_firstName=&s_place=BABI%20YAR&s_dateOfBirth=&cluster=true https://yvng.yadvashem.org/index.html?language=en&s_id=&s_la... 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Blobel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Blobel

oneshtein 3y ago
I couldn't find any connection between the names on the list and the people who lived in Kiev during the war. Prior to the war, there were 224,000 Jews living in Kiev, and approximately 200,000 were evacuated to the east. Around 40,000 Jews remained, including my grandmother. This is a relatively small number of people that can be verified.
- the_af 3y ago
  "You couldn't find any connection" but who cares what you claim you did? You asserted Babi Yar was a "Russian fake" but no sane country in the world fails to acknowledge it happened and it was a huge massacre of Jews. What some weirdo Holocaust denier claims on the internet doesn't matter.
  - oneshtein 3y ago
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    - the_af 3y ago
      It's your fault that you deny the widely accepted Babi Yar massacre and call it "a Russian fake", exactly what Holocaust deniers do. If the shoe fits... So in your opinion, countries such as all of Europe (Germany included), the US, Israel, etc are all part of this conspiracy?
      - detaro 3y ago
        Also weird how someone supposedly so deeply informed has somehow missed both the existing memorial and the year-long fights over building additional ones and has no clue where they might be placed?
        oneshtein 3y ago
        So, we are aware of this memorial, but we don't know why it stands there. Nobody is buried beneath that memorial. It could be placed anywhere, even on the Moon. It's just a stone structure. Furthermore, the Security Service of Ukraine warns[0] us that this memorial is being built by Russians in order to discredit Ukraine. And we completely agree with them. [0]: https://censor.net/ua/news/3243965/sbu_informuvala_shmygalya_i_minkult_pro_mojlyve_vykorystannya_memorialnogo_tsentru_golokostu_babyn_yar https://censor.net/ua/news/3243965/sbu_informuvala_shmygalya...
      - oneshtein 3y ago
        Look at this situation through my eyes. I currently reside in the Rivne region. Roughly 20 years ago, I had a conversation that went something like this: "I know that many Jews were shot by Germans in the Rivne region." "Yes. They are buried in the Sosenki area. We can drive there in a car. Would you like me to introduce you to relatives who can tell you more about it?" "No, that's not necessary. Where are the Kiev Jews who were shot in Babi Yar buried?" "I don't know. Isn't your mother from Kiev? You should know where your relatives are buried." "I don't know anything about them. I'll ask my mother." Later on: "Mom, do you know anyone from our acquaintances who was shot in Babi Yar?" "The Germans shot Ukrainians in Babi Yar, but it was forbidden to talk about it in the Soviet Union, just like with the Holodomor, or else you would be arrested." I am a descendant of Jews who lived in Kiev during World War II. But I know nothing about the Jews who were shot in Babi Yar. My relatives or acquaintances do not know either. My search led me to the grave of Ukrainians who were shot in Babi Yar and buried near the radio mast. This grave is visible in aerial reconnaissance photographs. If you know who was shot and where they are buried, please tell me. I would be grateful. We can erect a monument at this location.

oneshtein 3y ago

I couldn't find any connection between the names on the list and the people who lived in Kiev during the war. Prior to the war, there were 224,000 Jews living in Kiev, and approximately 200,000 were evacuated to the east. Around 40,000 Jews remained, including my grandmother. This is a relatively small number of people that can be verified.

the_af 3y ago
"You couldn't find any connection" but who cares what you claim you did? You asserted Babi Yar was a "Russian fake" but no sane country in the world fails to acknowledge it happened and it was a huge massacre of Jews. What some weirdo Holocaust denier claims on the internet doesn't matter.
- oneshtein 3y ago
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  - the_af 3y ago
    It's your fault that you deny the widely accepted Babi Yar massacre and call it "a Russian fake", exactly what Holocaust deniers do. If the shoe fits... So in your opinion, countries such as all of Europe (Germany included), the US, Israel, etc are all part of this conspiracy?
    - detaro 3y ago
      Also weird how someone supposedly so deeply informed has somehow missed both the existing memorial and the year-long fights over building additional ones and has no clue where they might be placed?
      - oneshtein 3y ago
        So, we are aware of this memorial, but we don't know why it stands there. Nobody is buried beneath that memorial. It could be placed anywhere, even on the Moon. It's just a stone structure. Furthermore, the Security Service of Ukraine warns[0] us that this memorial is being built by Russians in order to discredit Ukraine. And we completely agree with them. [0]: https://censor.net/ua/news/3243965/sbu_informuvala_shmygalya_i_minkult_pro_mojlyve_vykorystannya_memorialnogo_tsentru_golokostu_babyn_yar https://censor.net/ua/news/3243965/sbu_informuvala_shmygalya...
    - oneshtein 3y ago
      Look at this situation through my eyes. I currently reside in the Rivne region. Roughly 20 years ago, I had a conversation that went something like this: "I know that many Jews were shot by Germans in the Rivne region." "Yes. They are buried in the Sosenki area. We can drive there in a car. Would you like me to introduce you to relatives who can tell you more about it?" "No, that's not necessary. Where are the Kiev Jews who were shot in Babi Yar buried?" "I don't know. Isn't your mother from Kiev? You should know where your relatives are buried." "I don't know anything about them. I'll ask my mother." Later on: "Mom, do you know anyone from our acquaintances who was shot in Babi Yar?" "The Germans shot Ukrainians in Babi Yar, but it was forbidden to talk about it in the Soviet Union, just like with the Holodomor, or else you would be arrested." I am a descendant of Jews who lived in Kiev during World War II. But I know nothing about the Jews who were shot in Babi Yar. My relatives or acquaintances do not know either. My search led me to the grave of Ukrainians who were shot in Babi Yar and buried near the radio mast. This grave is visible in aerial reconnaissance photographs. If you know who was shot and where they are buried, please tell me. I would be grateful. We can erect a monument at this location.