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> The only danger is that stupid people might get their brains programmed by AI rather than by demagogues which should have little practical difference. This m

> The only danger is that stupid people might get their brains programmed by AI rather than by demagogues which should have little practical difference. This may be the best point that you've made. We're already drowning in propaganda and bullshit created by humans, so adding propaganda and bullshit created by AI to the mix may just be a substitution rather than any tectonic change.

oneshtein 4y ago
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- f6v 4y ago
  I thought ChatGPT posts were the most annoying thing on the internet right now. Then there this. Does your answer have anything to do with LLMs or AI? All I see is family anecdotes.
  - DennisAleynikov 4y ago
    It's an example of the dangers gpt poses today. Not sure where you got the impression these are family anecdotes
    - f6v 4y ago
      I don’t think the post above makes a good point because there’s no links to evidence. They talk about “declassified archives”, “US spy plane”. Like, what is that? Saying “Russian lies” 10 times in every paragraph doesn’t turn a rant into compelling argument. I mean, I get it, the poster above is Ukrainian and wants to turn every discussion in a certain direction. It’s just there’re many places on the internet they can vent.
      - oneshtein 4y ago
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  - the_af 4y ago
    The most annoying internet thing remains Holocaust denial, apparently.
- the_af 4y ago
  What on Earth are you about? Babi Yar is one of the single largest massacres of Jews during WW2. Some 30,000 Jews died in the first two days of the massacre. The overall SS commander in charge, Paul Blobel, was sentenced to death at Nuremberg. The event is widely remembered as a massacre of Jews. It's acknowledged by Ukraine as well. This is not "a Russian fake" and there is plenty of evidence for it. Please, don't repeat Holocaut denial bullshit.
  - oneshtein 4y ago
    As I can see in Nuremberg Trials, Babi Yar was mentioned twice: 18 October 1945, Berlin In the Crimea peaceful citizens were gathered on barges, taken out to sea and drowned, over 144,000 persons being exterminated in this manner. In the Soviet Ukraine there were monstrous criminal acts of the Nazi conspirators. In Babi Yar, near Kiev, they shot over 100,000 men, women, children, and old people. In this city in January 1942, after the explosion in German Headquarters on Dzerzhinsky Street the Germans arrested as hostages 1,250 persons—old men, minors, women with nursing infants. In Kiev they killed over 195,000 persons. In Rovno and the Rovno region they killed and tortured over 100,000 peaceful citizens. 20 November 1945, Nuremberg: In the Crimea peaceful citizens were gathered on barges, taken out to sea and drowned, over 144,000 persons being exterminated in this manner. In the Soviet Ukraine there were monstrous criminal acts of the Nazi conspirators. In Babi Yar, near Kiev, they shot over 100,000 men, women, children, and old people. In this city in January 1941, after the explosion in German headquarters on Dzerzhinsky Street the Germans arrested as hostages 1,250 persons—old men, minors, women with nursing infants. In Kiev they killed over 195,000 persons. In Rovno and the Rovno region they killed and tortured over 100,000 peaceful citizens. Where can I find more information about the Babyn Yar crime that was presented on the Nuremberg Trials?
    - the_af 4y ago
      I don't know what you're asking anymore, or how what you just quoted counters the fact that thousands of Jews were murdered at Babi Yar. But I know what you're doing, actually: what every Holocaust denier always does.
- wohlergehen 4y ago
  To clear this up, because open Holocaust denial is never OK: Thousands of jews were indeed murdered at Babi Yar, you can find their names online [0]. Paul Blobel [1] was executed at Nuremberg for this. No serious source disputes the killing of jews at Babi Yar, be it the US, Germany (where this matter went to court), Israel, Ukraine, or Russia. 0: https://yvng.yadvashem.org/index.html?language=en&s_id=&s_lastName=&s_firstName=&s_place=BABI%20YAR&s_dateOfBirth=&cluster=true https://yvng.yadvashem.org/index.html?language=en&s_id=&s_la... 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Blobel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Blobel
  - oneshtein 4y ago
    I couldn't find any connection between the names on the list and the people who lived in Kiev during the war. Prior to the war, there were 224,000 Jews living in Kiev, and approximately 200,000 were evacuated to the east. Around 40,000 Jews remained, including my grandmother. This is a relatively small number of people that can be verified.
    - the_af 4y ago
      "You couldn't find any connection" but who cares what you claim you did? You asserted Babi Yar was a "Russian fake" but no sane country in the world fails to acknowledge it happened and it was a huge massacre of Jews. What some weirdo Holocaust denier claims on the internet doesn't matter.
      - oneshtein 4y ago
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        the_af 4y ago
        It's your fault that you deny the widely accepted Babi Yar massacre and call it "a Russian fake", exactly what Holocaust deniers do. If the shoe fits... So in your opinion, countries such as all of Europe (Germany included), the US, Israel, etc are all part of this conspiracy?
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kurthr 4y ago
The problem is that it will be cheaper at scale. That will allow the BS to be even more targeted growing the population of acolytes of ignorance. I don't know how much bigger it is, but it seems like we're around 20% today. If it gets to a majority there could be real problems.
- root_axis 4y ago
  There's already more information generated each day than any individual can ever hope to process, adding more crap to that pile doesn't move the needle much if at all.
  - zem 4y ago
    but most of that crap will go entirely disregarded, because it's not coated in something that makes it attractive. what ai really helps scale up is finding millions of ways to dress up fake news, hoaxes, propaganda, etc in a container - a Trojan horse, if you will - that encourages people to consume it. as one example, imagine if you could churn out a stream of "foreigners are taking your jobs!" articles, but every one talking about a different sector or profession. people would be far more likely to stop and read the article that was talking about their particular line of work, and thanks to ai you can now practically write a custom article for anyone you can think of in as much time as it takes to identify the demographic.
  - yencabulator 4y ago
    Imagine being flooded with propaganda personalized just for you (people with your interests).
docmars 4y ago
Maybe with this knowledge, we can teach and encourage people to think more critically as they choose to adopt more of these tools? I know more academic/intellectual types who are less willing to, than I do the average joe who seeks answers from all directions and discerns accordingly.

oneshtein 4y ago

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f6v 4y ago
I thought ChatGPT posts were the most annoying thing on the internet right now. Then there this. Does your answer have anything to do with LLMs or AI? All I see is family anecdotes.
- DennisAleynikov 4y ago
  It's an example of the dangers gpt poses today. Not sure where you got the impression these are family anecdotes
  - f6v 4y ago
    I don’t think the post above makes a good point because there’s no links to evidence. They talk about “declassified archives”, “US spy plane”. Like, what is that? Saying “Russian lies” 10 times in every paragraph doesn’t turn a rant into compelling argument. I mean, I get it, the poster above is Ukrainian and wants to turn every discussion in a certain direction. It’s just there’re many places on the internet they can vent.
    - oneshtein 4y ago
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- the_af 4y ago
  The most annoying internet thing remains Holocaust denial, apparently.
the_af 4y ago
What on Earth are you about? Babi Yar is one of the single largest massacres of Jews during WW2. Some 30,000 Jews died in the first two days of the massacre. The overall SS commander in charge, Paul Blobel, was sentenced to death at Nuremberg. The event is widely remembered as a massacre of Jews. It's acknowledged by Ukraine as well. This is not "a Russian fake" and there is plenty of evidence for it. Please, don't repeat Holocaut denial bullshit.
- oneshtein 4y ago
  As I can see in Nuremberg Trials, Babi Yar was mentioned twice: 18 October 1945, Berlin In the Crimea peaceful citizens were gathered on barges, taken out to sea and drowned, over 144,000 persons being exterminated in this manner. In the Soviet Ukraine there were monstrous criminal acts of the Nazi conspirators. In Babi Yar, near Kiev, they shot over 100,000 men, women, children, and old people. In this city in January 1942, after the explosion in German Headquarters on Dzerzhinsky Street the Germans arrested as hostages 1,250 persons—old men, minors, women with nursing infants. In Kiev they killed over 195,000 persons. In Rovno and the Rovno region they killed and tortured over 100,000 peaceful citizens. 20 November 1945, Nuremberg: In the Crimea peaceful citizens were gathered on barges, taken out to sea and drowned, over 144,000 persons being exterminated in this manner. In the Soviet Ukraine there were monstrous criminal acts of the Nazi conspirators. In Babi Yar, near Kiev, they shot over 100,000 men, women, children, and old people. In this city in January 1941, after the explosion in German headquarters on Dzerzhinsky Street the Germans arrested as hostages 1,250 persons—old men, minors, women with nursing infants. In Kiev they killed over 195,000 persons. In Rovno and the Rovno region they killed and tortured over 100,000 peaceful citizens. Where can I find more information about the Babyn Yar crime that was presented on the Nuremberg Trials?
  - the_af 4y ago
    I don't know what you're asking anymore, or how what you just quoted counters the fact that thousands of Jews were murdered at Babi Yar. But I know what you're doing, actually: what every Holocaust denier always does.
wohlergehen 4y ago
To clear this up, because open Holocaust denial is never OK: Thousands of jews were indeed murdered at Babi Yar, you can find their names online [0]. Paul Blobel [1] was executed at Nuremberg for this. No serious source disputes the killing of jews at Babi Yar, be it the US, Germany (where this matter went to court), Israel, Ukraine, or Russia. 0: https://yvng.yadvashem.org/index.html?language=en&s_id=&s_lastName=&s_firstName=&s_place=BABI%20YAR&s_dateOfBirth=&cluster=true https://yvng.yadvashem.org/index.html?language=en&s_id=&s_la... 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Blobel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Blobel
- oneshtein 4y ago
  I couldn't find any connection between the names on the list and the people who lived in Kiev during the war. Prior to the war, there were 224,000 Jews living in Kiev, and approximately 200,000 were evacuated to the east. Around 40,000 Jews remained, including my grandmother. This is a relatively small number of people that can be verified.
  - the_af 4y ago
    "You couldn't find any connection" but who cares what you claim you did? You asserted Babi Yar was a "Russian fake" but no sane country in the world fails to acknowledge it happened and it was a huge massacre of Jews. What some weirdo Holocaust denier claims on the internet doesn't matter.
    - oneshtein 4y ago
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      - the_af 4y ago
        It's your fault that you deny the widely accepted Babi Yar massacre and call it "a Russian fake", exactly what Holocaust deniers do. If the shoe fits... So in your opinion, countries such as all of Europe (Germany included), the US, Israel, etc are all part of this conspiracy?
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kurthr 4y ago

The problem is that it will be cheaper at scale. That will allow the BS to be even more targeted growing the population of acolytes of ignorance. I don't know how much bigger it is, but it seems like we're around 20% today. If it gets to a majority there could be real problems.

root_axis 4y ago
There's already more information generated each day than any individual can ever hope to process, adding more crap to that pile doesn't move the needle much if at all.
- zem 4y ago
  but most of that crap will go entirely disregarded, because it's not coated in something that makes it attractive. what ai really helps scale up is finding millions of ways to dress up fake news, hoaxes, propaganda, etc in a container - a Trojan horse, if you will - that encourages people to consume it. as one example, imagine if you could churn out a stream of "foreigners are taking your jobs!" articles, but every one talking about a different sector or profession. people would be far more likely to stop and read the article that was talking about their particular line of work, and thanks to ai you can now practically write a custom article for anyone you can think of in as much time as it takes to identify the demographic.
- yencabulator 4y ago
  Imagine being flooded with propaganda personalized just for you (people with your interests).

docmars 4y ago

Maybe with this knowledge, we can teach and encourage people to think more critically as they choose to adopt more of these tools? I know more academic/intellectual types who are less willing to, than I do the average joe who seeks answers from all directions and discerns accordingly.