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Which ISPs are giving out APs with no key needed and no captive portal? Every one that I’m aware of requires some manner of secret to login to the shared AP.

roywiggins 3y ago
There's nothing actually stopping an ISP from making a deal with a TV manufacturer to provide connectivity though, is there?
- Godel_unicode 3y ago
  There’s also nothing stopping any of them from including an Iridium modem in their sets. Or using aircrack to try and break into a nearby network. Or any other tinfoil hat thing we can come up with. There are literally thousands of paranoid security researchers who would love to post about something like this (hi), and none of them have. That’s hardly conclusive, but if it’s not good enough for you then maybe you should reconsider whether society is the place for you.
  - roywiggins 3y ago
    I'm sure they're not doing it now, I'm not sure they won't do it eventually. I don't think it can be done without people noticing but I'm also not sure they'll think that far ahead.
    - Godel_unicode 3y ago
      I don’t understand the point you’re making. Someone might eventually start doing something they’re not currently doing?
kjs3 3y ago
Why would you think LG/Samsung/Sony/etc don't have corp creds for every ISP AP on the planet?
- Godel_unicode 3y ago
  That’s moving the goalpost pretty far, don’t you think?
  - kjs3 3y ago
    No. Why do you think it is? If the business model is "connect to the mothership and feed us data at all costs", why wouldn't they just arrange with the ISPs to allow their devices to connect?
    - Godel_unicode 3y ago
      We were talking about open Wi-Fi networks. This paranoid alternate reality where tv companies are paying every ISP for backdoor access is very, very far away from flipping the “opportunistically join open networks” bit. It’s also not borne out by either research or logic. > at all costs Nothing works like that. They don’t care about you, beyond the pennies they can make. If it costs (and it would) they won’t do it.

roywiggins 3y ago

There's nothing actually stopping an ISP from making a deal with a TV manufacturer to provide connectivity though, is there?

Godel_unicode 3y ago
There’s also nothing stopping any of them from including an Iridium modem in their sets. Or using aircrack to try and break into a nearby network. Or any other tinfoil hat thing we can come up with. There are literally thousands of paranoid security researchers who would love to post about something like this (hi), and none of them have. That’s hardly conclusive, but if it’s not good enough for you then maybe you should reconsider whether society is the place for you.
- roywiggins 3y ago
  I'm sure they're not doing it now, I'm not sure they won't do it eventually. I don't think it can be done without people noticing but I'm also not sure they'll think that far ahead.
  - Godel_unicode 3y ago
    I don’t understand the point you’re making. Someone might eventually start doing something they’re not currently doing?

kjs3 3y ago

Why would you think LG/Samsung/Sony/etc don't have corp creds for every ISP AP on the planet?

Godel_unicode 3y ago
That’s moving the goalpost pretty far, don’t you think?
- kjs3 3y ago
  No. Why do you think it is? If the business model is "connect to the mothership and feed us data at all costs", why wouldn't they just arrange with the ISPs to allow their devices to connect?
  - Godel_unicode 3y ago
    We were talking about open Wi-Fi networks. This paranoid alternate reality where tv companies are paying every ISP for backdoor access is very, very far away from flipping the “opportunistically join open networks” bit. It’s also not borne out by either research or logic. > at all costs Nothing works like that. They don’t care about you, beyond the pennies they can make. If it costs (and it would) they won’t do it.