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The crime rate in SF does seem high, but I have a few issues here: > When you do the math, the incidents of all types per square mile in San Francisco is by fa
by olliej 4y ago
The crime rate in SF does seem high, but I have a few issues here:
> When you do the math, the incidents of all types per square mile in San Francisco is by far and away the highest in the country with zero comparison
Well yes, because crime rates are a product of population not land area. It should not be surprising that SF with a population of 874k in 49 square miles has more crime per square mile than, say Charlotte 873k in 309 square miles.
I am not saying crime is low in SF, I'm saying "I don't like this relevant comparison so I will use this other one" isn't super helpful.
> If San Francisco were as large as Atlanta, Chicago, etc. its stats would reveal a completely different story.
Yes, because the population if it were the size of Atlanta it would have 2.4 million people, e.g. almost five times the population.
> Most of the victims are innocent civilians. Just watch the news
What are the actual statistics here - I could believe this claim, but citing the news isn't relevant because its biased in favor of reporting crime against civilians (man bites dog vs dog bites man).
> Lastly, San Francisco has decriminalized so many things that used to be crimes that now, magically, they no longer show up in the statistics
I agree with this statement. The crime rates in the Castro would be much higher if we hadn't decriminalized homosexuality. Crime rates in the mission would be much higher if weed remained illegal. Of course, you'd also gets spikes in crime rates if you made it illegal to have unoccupied residential property, or made labor code violations criminal rather than civil code violations.
I get that this guy's friend has been murdered but to pretend the issue is that crimes statistics lie isn't going to stop it happening. It seems much more likely to me that the core issue is that the typical divide in US cities between affluent areas and poor areas does not exist in SF, and by proxy the gap between high and low crime regions doesn't exist. I'm sure plenty of people in plenty of cities have areas they don't walk through but SF makes that impossible.
- gsibble 4y agoThey weren't using per capita numbers. They were using raw "total number of homicides" and arguing SF was safer. This was a CNN article earlier today.