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> If you ask someone off the street a question, they won't know what you are talking about because their mind is going to be mid thought, but being friendly the
by kerkeslager 4y ago
> If you ask someone off the street a question, they won't know what you are talking about because their mind is going to be mid thought, but being friendly they will give you a low-effort first guess.
That's lying. If you don't know the answer, the correct answer is "I don't know", or to ask clarifying questions. To pretend that you know when you don't, is to lie. Even if your intent is to deceive because you think it's friendly, your intent is to deceive.
> That's equivalent to an LLM, it is mid-thought, stuck at the most recent batch of training samples it was given when you come along and you interrupt it with some new thought.
For someone who thinks hot-takes anthropomorphizing ChatGPT and LLMs shouldn't be given any serious attention, you sure are anthropomorphizing LLMs...
The thing is, LLMs aren't doing that at all. They're just pattern matching prompt data to training data and then mixing together a response from the "continuations" of the matched training data. Nothing is being "interrupted". They're sitting around waiting for prompts.
LLMs can't lie because they can't intend to deceive. They can't intend at all. They have no intent, no will. These are anthropomorphic qualities you're putting on them, which they simply don't have.
But, I think the original article IS NOT arguing that LLMs are capable of lying. It's arguing that the average human doesn't understand what's going on with LLMs, and isn't going to go through the effort to gain that understanding. That's not a judgment: the average person has better things to do with their time than learn all the necessary prerequisite knowledge to understand LLMs. It's a hard problem, because we're trying to explain something really complex to people who don't even understand the building blocks the complexity is made out of. The question the original article is answering is: what's an effective metaphor to explain LLMs to laypeople?
The approach being suggested by the OP to solving this problem is to use an anthropomorphic analogy which gives people the understanding of whether to trust information gained from LLMs. You tell them that LLMs are lying. Yes, we understand that they aren't literally lying--as I said before, LLMs don't have intent so they can't intend to deceive. It's a metaphor.
Telling people that LLMs are wrong sometimes gives the wrong impression. Most people are wrong sometimes, but people are usually trying to be honest and will usually try to not mislead you when it's important, and even when people might be wrong it's worthwhile to take the risk of trusting people because the alternative is living in fear and loneliness. So telling people LLMs are wrong sometimes, gives people the idea that LLMs make mistakes, but they're trying their best so you can trust them. Which is not accurate: LLMs are as biased and confused as the humans that created their training data, but on top of that, have a lot less variety of data, and sometimes randomly combine things in the wrong ways. LLMs can't generally be trusted: they must be generally distrusted, especially on anything where the facts matter.
Telling people that LLMs lie produces the correct general impression. People don't trust a known liar. They might listen to a liar, but they'll take what the liar says with a grain of skepticism. And that's exactly how we should be treating what LLM's say, given their current capabilities.
- georgyo 4y agoI thought yams and sweet potatoes were the same thing for many years. I have told people that they were the same thing, because that is what I believed. My thoughts were reinforced that in common American English we refer to both with the same name frequently. However they are different, and I eventually was corrected and I was able to verify that correction. The question is, when I legitimately believe my knowledge was correct, was I lying?
- kerkeslager 4y agoI would say no. If you believe what you said, you're not lying. There are grey areas here, like levels of confidence in our knowledge. A rational person believes very few things with 100% certainty, but it's not reasonable to be paralyzed by even the slightest amount of doubt and never say anything. I think a reasonable approach is to state things with some indication of your level of confidence, like: 1. Obviously sweet potatoes are yams. 2. Sweet potatoes are yams. 3. I am pretty sure sweet potatoes are yams. 4. I think sweet potatoes are yams. 5. I think sweet potatoes are yams, but I'm not sure. 6. I think sweet potatoes are yams, but I don't really know why I think that. 7. Sweet potatoes might be yams.
- brookst 4y ago> That's lying. If you don't know the answer, the correct answer is "I don't know", or to ask clarifying questions. To pretend that you know when you don't, is to lie. You can use that definition, but it is not how the word "lie" is commonly used. Mirriam-Webster defines lie as "to make an untrue statement with the intent to deceive"[0] Cambridge dictionary defines lie as "to say or write something that is not true in order to deceive someone"[1] Colllins dictionary defines lie as "A lie is something that someone says or writes which they know is untrue." and "If someone is lying, they are saying something which they know is not true."[2] It's sad that people are so willing to conflate lying with being wrong to push a narrative. 0. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lie https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lie 1. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/lie https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/lie 2. https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/lie https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/lie