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Abortion Pill Blocked Nationwide Under Order from US Judge

56 points by dataminer 4y ago

quickthrowman 4y ago
https://archive.ph/Qx9C7 https://archive.ph/Qx9C7
ryeights 4y ago
Glad to hear the decision has finally, rightfully been returned to the individual states /s
- lisper 4y ago
  [Deleted because I missed the /s]
  - evan_ 4y ago
    "/s" means "the preceding was sarcasm"
    - lisper 4y ago
      Ah. I didn't know that. Sorry.
  - gerdesj 4y ago
    EDIT: whoops the /s thing was resolved ages ago 8) I was hovering over the DV button for this comment but I think you failed to note the /s. I believe that everyone should have ultimate control over their own body and should have access to the best advice available that is scientifically and reasonably based. That means that I believe and hope that women everywhere have access to good advice with regards abortion and also access to decent medical facilities. I think that anything less can be described as medieval at best.
    - lisper 4y ago
      Yeah, the /s is pretty subtle, and I didn't know that's what it meant. I think unless you know your audience it's better to be more explicit, i.e. </sarcasm> But the original story has been flagged to death (imagine that) so it's all a moot point anyway. No one will ever see this exchange except us.
cocacola1 4y ago
So much for "states rights", I suppose. I wonder how long abortion is going to remain an issue?
- MisterBastahrd 4y ago
  As long as right-wingers hate what other people do with their own bodies, probably.
  - notyourwork 4y ago
    Beyond tiring.
  - all2 4y ago
    For the right wingers it is a moral issue that has a few facets - a child in the womb is distinct from its mother (according to some, as soon as new DNA starts being produced) - the only difference between a grown human and one in the womb is time (and their resulting growth and development) - to stop a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterine wall is tantamount to murder - to abort said child at any point in time during pregnancy is murder This places the conservative in an existentially horrifying position; every post conception contraceptive is murder. Those who use them are murderers. I'd say hate is probably the right word to use. There is a second thread underlying the vehement opposition to abortion, and that is the disdain for free love. They see it as extra-marital sex, fornication, adultery, and ultimately an affront to their God's commands and design for his humans are supposed to act. Their opposition is an existential one. To abandon their position would be to condemn millions more to die.
    - voisin 4y ago
      > Their opposition is an existential one. To abandon their position would be to condemn millions more to die. I know this is how they like to frame it but we don’t see them feeling the same existential angst about things like wearing a mask to prevent the spread of a viral disease around people who might be immune compromised and die as a result. Then it becomes “the government has no right over my body”. It is exhausting how contradictory conservative positions are.
cirrus3 4y ago
> Kacsmaryk issued a stay on his order Friday to give the Biden administration 7 days to appeal
AgentOrange1234 4y ago
What ridiculous shit.
nine_zeros 4y ago
Is this the same pill that women are advised to use after a miscarriage to expel dead remains?
- wanderinghogan 4y ago
  I believe you are thinking of Methotrexate, but I may be mistaken. I know it's used in ectopic pregnancies at least and starts the process of getting the cells out.
tohnjitor 4y ago
>Medical groups have defended the medication, arguing that studies show it is safer than Tylenol and Viagra and sends fewer people to the emergency room than those drugs Safer than those two yet clearly ends more lives than either combined.
- michaelmrose 4y ago
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onigiri420 4y ago
[flagged]
- kccoder 4y ago
  For whom?
  - hitpointdrew 4y ago
    For the unborn child.
overthrow 4y ago
If you think about what they're doing in context: - outlawing abortion - weakening child labor laws It's pretty reprehensible shit.
anigbrowl 4y ago
This won't impact anything right in the moment since it will be the target of an emergency stay. But I don't wanna hear anything from the 'judicial overreach' crowd, given this guy's record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_J._Kacsmaryk#Notable_cases https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_J._Kacsmaryk#Notable_c...
- rektide 4y ago
  > According to The Washington Post, conservative groups have employed "forum shopping" in filing lawsuits within Kacsmaryk's federal district against many Biden administration's policies; since Kacsmaryk is the only federal judge in his district, any lawsuit filed there is guaranteed to be presided over by him Doesn't the link seem to suggest this is a radical extremist form of judicial overreach? The history of this one court, with a single judge, causing endless shit & havoc for the federal government seems about as overreachy as it can get. He has: denied asylum seekers entry until their claims are accepted. Messed with protections of the Affordable Care Act. Unwound protections for transgender people. And now deamdned denying access to a >20 year old drug. One of these cases has made it to the Supreme Court so far. But that hardly makes me feel like there isn't a severe issue of activist judges embodied by this Trump appointee. Who is now causing havoc & bedlam within the nation, at their own whim. And that there is seemingly no real way to stop this absurd overreach, that he'll be able to keep doing it, that radical elements will keep forum-shopping for him, and nothing can stop this antagonist anti-rights crusader.
  - anigbrowl 4y ago
    Well yes, that's my point.
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evan_ 4y ago
this got flagkilled pretty quickly
doctor_eval 4y ago
[flagged]
DueDilligence 4y ago
[dead]
miles 4y ago
US judge in Washington state orders feds to keep access to abortion pill, countering ruling from Texas judge https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/nation-world/story/2023-04-07/us-judge-in-washington-state-orders-feds-to-keep-access-to-abortion-pill-countering-ruling-from-texas-judge https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/nation-world/story...

56 points by dataminer 4y ago

quickthrowman 4y ago

https://archive.ph/Qx9C7 https://archive.ph/Qx9C7

ryeights 4y ago

Glad to hear the decision has finally, rightfully been returned to the individual states /s

lisper 4y ago
[Deleted because I missed the /s]
- evan_ 4y ago
  "/s" means "the preceding was sarcasm"
  - lisper 4y ago
    Ah. I didn't know that. Sorry.
- gerdesj 4y ago
  EDIT: whoops the /s thing was resolved ages ago 8) I was hovering over the DV button for this comment but I think you failed to note the /s. I believe that everyone should have ultimate control over their own body and should have access to the best advice available that is scientifically and reasonably based. That means that I believe and hope that women everywhere have access to good advice with regards abortion and also access to decent medical facilities. I think that anything less can be described as medieval at best.
  - lisper 4y ago
    Yeah, the /s is pretty subtle, and I didn't know that's what it meant. I think unless you know your audience it's better to be more explicit, i.e. </sarcasm> But the original story has been flagged to death (imagine that) so it's all a moot point anyway. No one will ever see this exchange except us.

cocacola1 4y ago

So much for "states rights", I suppose. I wonder how long abortion is going to remain an issue?

MisterBastahrd 4y ago
As long as right-wingers hate what other people do with their own bodies, probably.
- notyourwork 4y ago
  Beyond tiring.
- all2 4y ago
  For the right wingers it is a moral issue that has a few facets - a child in the womb is distinct from its mother (according to some, as soon as new DNA starts being produced) - the only difference between a grown human and one in the womb is time (and their resulting growth and development) - to stop a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterine wall is tantamount to murder - to abort said child at any point in time during pregnancy is murder This places the conservative in an existentially horrifying position; every post conception contraceptive is murder. Those who use them are murderers. I'd say hate is probably the right word to use. There is a second thread underlying the vehement opposition to abortion, and that is the disdain for free love. They see it as extra-marital sex, fornication, adultery, and ultimately an affront to their God's commands and design for his humans are supposed to act. Their opposition is an existential one. To abandon their position would be to condemn millions more to die.
  - voisin 4y ago
    > Their opposition is an existential one. To abandon their position would be to condemn millions more to die. I know this is how they like to frame it but we don’t see them feeling the same existential angst about things like wearing a mask to prevent the spread of a viral disease around people who might be immune compromised and die as a result. Then it becomes “the government has no right over my body”. It is exhausting how contradictory conservative positions are.

cirrus3 4y ago

> Kacsmaryk issued a stay on his order Friday to give the Biden administration 7 days to appeal

AgentOrange1234 4y ago

What ridiculous shit.

nine_zeros 4y ago

Is this the same pill that women are advised to use after a miscarriage to expel dead remains?

wanderinghogan 4y ago
I believe you are thinking of Methotrexate, but I may be mistaken. I know it's used in ectopic pregnancies at least and starts the process of getting the cells out.

tohnjitor 4y ago

>Medical groups have defended the medication, arguing that studies show it is safer than Tylenol and Viagra and sends fewer people to the emergency room than those drugs Safer than those two yet clearly ends more lives than either combined.

michaelmrose 4y ago
[dead]

onigiri420 4y ago

[flagged]

kccoder 4y ago
For whom?
- hitpointdrew 4y ago
  For the unborn child.

overthrow 4y ago

If you think about what they're doing in context: - outlawing abortion - weakening child labor laws It's pretty reprehensible shit.

anigbrowl 4y ago

This won't impact anything right in the moment since it will be the target of an emergency stay. But I don't wanna hear anything from the 'judicial overreach' crowd, given this guy's record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_J._Kacsmaryk#Notable_cases https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_J._Kacsmaryk#Notable_c...

rektide 4y ago
> According to The Washington Post, conservative groups have employed "forum shopping" in filing lawsuits within Kacsmaryk's federal district against many Biden administration's policies; since Kacsmaryk is the only federal judge in his district, any lawsuit filed there is guaranteed to be presided over by him Doesn't the link seem to suggest this is a radical extremist form of judicial overreach? The history of this one court, with a single judge, causing endless shit & havoc for the federal government seems about as overreachy as it can get. He has: denied asylum seekers entry until their claims are accepted. Messed with protections of the Affordable Care Act. Unwound protections for transgender people. And now deamdned denying access to a >20 year old drug. One of these cases has made it to the Supreme Court so far. But that hardly makes me feel like there isn't a severe issue of activist judges embodied by this Trump appointee. Who is now causing havoc & bedlam within the nation, at their own whim. And that there is seemingly no real way to stop this absurd overreach, that he'll be able to keep doing it, that radical elements will keep forum-shopping for him, and nothing can stop this antagonist anti-rights crusader.
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  Well yes, that's my point.

deleted 4y ago

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evan_ 4y ago

this got flagkilled pretty quickly

doctor_eval 4y ago

[flagged]

DueDilligence 4y ago

[dead]

miles 4y ago

US judge in Washington state orders feds to keep access to abortion pill, countering ruling from Texas judge https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/nation-world/story/2023-04-07/us-judge-in-washington-state-orders-feds-to-keep-access-to-abortion-pill-countering-ruling-from-texas-judge https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/nation-world/story...