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idk why people are against Smart TVs. It's not like the vendors put a 5G modem on it and pay for the ads to be served to you themselves with their own internet.

idk why people are against Smart TVs. It's not like the vendors put a 5G modem on it and pay for the ads to be served to you themselves with their own internet. buy your tv, don't connect to wifi. connect to your device of choice, done. trying to avoid smart tvs is so silly, as you basically exclude nearly all of the good ones.

ultrarunner 4y ago
I use them for information displays. Our "smart" TVs boot slowly, show dialogs, and then complain that they can't sense the remote near enough to them, requiring a reboot. All in all it's an incredibly frustrating experience for something that should require zero interaction.
- endisneigh 4y ago
  how often are you rebooting TVs for your information displays that this matters? and there are smart tvs with dumb remotes.
  - mtrower 4y ago
    So, you say you don’t know why people are upset with these devices, but people are telling you why and you’re just not accepting it. You literally told the other guy that he’s optimizing for the wrong thing, as if his priorities are somehow yours to determine. It’s totally fine that you have different priorities and values than us, but that doesn’t invalidate ours.
    - endisneigh 4y ago
      I don't understand because the implication is that you'd use an external device, which would then have the same issues as the TV, no?
beefee 4y ago
Here are some reasons. 1. Cost. I'd rather not pay for hardware and software I won't use. 2. Environmental impact. Unused and unwanted hardware is waste. 3. Unauthorized users connecting to WiFi. TVs are often in common areas. The settings menus have no authentication. So an unauthorized user might connect the TV to a WiFi network. 4. Automatic WiFi connections. TVs might connect to open or partnered WiFi networks without telling the user. Hard to know without an audit. 5. Accidental WiFi connections. Settings menus might be unintuitive (or deceptive) enough to trick users into joining WiFi networks accidentally. 6. Future data leaks. TVs might be recording data and saving it to internal storage. The next owner of the TV could connect it to a network, and years of stored data would be leaked. Again, hard to know without an audit.
- endisneigh 4y ago
  1. Smart TVs are cheaper 2. Indeed 3. You can disable this 5. Disable 6. Disable Basically most of your criticism is resolved if you never use the wifi to begin with, and all apply to any hypothetical wifi enabled device you connect to a dumb TV, anyway.
- scarface74 4y ago
  > Cost. I'd rather not pay for hardware and software I won't use. There is no more a “smart TV tax” than a “Windows tax”. Smart TV manufactures make money via selling user data that more than offsets the $20 BOM for the smart TV components just like computer OEMs make money installing Windows crapware. > Environmental impact. Unused and unwanted hardware is waste. What unused hardware? When the built in smarts go obsolete, you buy an external device and connect. > Unauthorized users connecting to WiFi. TVs are often in common areas. The settings menus have no authentication. So an unauthorized user might connect the TV to a WiFi network That’s true and it was happening a lot when we first moved into our condotel (condo that’s rented out like a hotel when we aren’t there and we get half the proceeds) and when we stay in hotels. I bought a wifi to wifi bridge to have a private network.
amiga-workbench 4y ago
Its because they're garbage. When a CRT from the mid 80's powers on, warms its tube up faster and switches inputs quicker than a modern TV, something is very wrong. I'm pretty sure the NAND is degrading in my 2015 Sony Bravia, its bordering on unusable with its hangs, jitters and crashes. I barely trust any manufacturer to produce consumer grade goods that actually do their job properly, the best way to get more stuff working right is to narrow the featureset and hope that they're not completely incompetent.
- endisneigh 4y ago
  there are plenty of excellent (smart) tvs. it's funny to see people posting on here talk about how long it takes for their TV to power on. clearly if you're wasting free time on here optimizing seconds isn't on the agenda.
  - amiga-workbench 4y ago
    My TV is either off to save energy, or because Android has gone completely insane again and it needs rebooting. If you do a full hard reset of my particular TV, it can't even run its own OOTB setup smoothly. Sony have got it playing some ambient chimes in the background, but the audio constantly breaks up and glitches. Its got an 8 core processor and it can't even handle audio playback in a bit of the UI which should have had heavy QA.
    - endisneigh 4y ago
      I get that. the point is that turning a TV on, even if it took 30 seconds, is basically nothing given the amount of time you spend watching it. it's not the right thing to optimize. do you know how long it takes to turn on an iPhone? you may have a stroke if I tell you.
      - felurx 4y ago
        Turning on a TV is something you usually do everytime you want to use it, and it's just plain annoying to have to wait. The comparison to an iPhone is bad, because you rarely reboot it. Imagine you had to wait for the iPhone to boot every time you want to read some stuff on the internet or call someone.

ultrarunner 4y ago

I use them for information displays. Our "smart" TVs boot slowly, show dialogs, and then complain that they can't sense the remote near enough to them, requiring a reboot. All in all it's an incredibly frustrating experience for something that should require zero interaction.

endisneigh 4y ago
how often are you rebooting TVs for your information displays that this matters? and there are smart tvs with dumb remotes.
- mtrower 4y ago
  So, you say you don’t know why people are upset with these devices, but people are telling you why and you’re just not accepting it. You literally told the other guy that he’s optimizing for the wrong thing, as if his priorities are somehow yours to determine. It’s totally fine that you have different priorities and values than us, but that doesn’t invalidate ours.
  - endisneigh 4y ago
    I don't understand because the implication is that you'd use an external device, which would then have the same issues as the TV, no?

beefee 4y ago

Here are some reasons. 1. Cost. I'd rather not pay for hardware and software I won't use. 2. Environmental impact. Unused and unwanted hardware is waste. 3. Unauthorized users connecting to WiFi. TVs are often in common areas. The settings menus have no authentication. So an unauthorized user might connect the TV to a WiFi network. 4. Automatic WiFi connections. TVs might connect to open or partnered WiFi networks without telling the user. Hard to know without an audit. 5. Accidental WiFi connections. Settings menus might be unintuitive (or deceptive) enough to trick users into joining WiFi networks accidentally. 6. Future data leaks. TVs might be recording data and saving it to internal storage. The next owner of the TV could connect it to a network, and years of stored data would be leaked. Again, hard to know without an audit.

endisneigh 4y ago
1. Smart TVs are cheaper 2. Indeed 3. You can disable this 5. Disable 6. Disable Basically most of your criticism is resolved if you never use the wifi to begin with, and all apply to any hypothetical wifi enabled device you connect to a dumb TV, anyway.
scarface74 4y ago
> Cost. I'd rather not pay for hardware and software I won't use. There is no more a “smart TV tax” than a “Windows tax”. Smart TV manufactures make money via selling user data that more than offsets the $20 BOM for the smart TV components just like computer OEMs make money installing Windows crapware. > Environmental impact. Unused and unwanted hardware is waste. What unused hardware? When the built in smarts go obsolete, you buy an external device and connect. > Unauthorized users connecting to WiFi. TVs are often in common areas. The settings menus have no authentication. So an unauthorized user might connect the TV to a WiFi network That’s true and it was happening a lot when we first moved into our condotel (condo that’s rented out like a hotel when we aren’t there and we get half the proceeds) and when we stay in hotels. I bought a wifi to wifi bridge to have a private network.

amiga-workbench 4y ago

Its because they're garbage. When a CRT from the mid 80's powers on, warms its tube up faster and switches inputs quicker than a modern TV, something is very wrong. I'm pretty sure the NAND is degrading in my 2015 Sony Bravia, its bordering on unusable with its hangs, jitters and crashes. I barely trust any manufacturer to produce consumer grade goods that actually do their job properly, the best way to get more stuff working right is to narrow the featureset and hope that they're not completely incompetent.

endisneigh 4y ago
there are plenty of excellent (smart) tvs. it's funny to see people posting on here talk about how long it takes for their TV to power on. clearly if you're wasting free time on here optimizing seconds isn't on the agenda.
- amiga-workbench 4y ago
  My TV is either off to save energy, or because Android has gone completely insane again and it needs rebooting. If you do a full hard reset of my particular TV, it can't even run its own OOTB setup smoothly. Sony have got it playing some ambient chimes in the background, but the audio constantly breaks up and glitches. Its got an 8 core processor and it can't even handle audio playback in a bit of the UI which should have had heavy QA.
  - endisneigh 4y ago
    I get that. the point is that turning a TV on, even if it took 30 seconds, is basically nothing given the amount of time you spend watching it. it's not the right thing to optimize. do you know how long it takes to turn on an iPhone? you may have a stroke if I tell you.
    - felurx 4y ago
      Turning on a TV is something you usually do everytime you want to use it, and it's just plain annoying to have to wait. The comparison to an iPhone is bad, because you rarely reboot it. Imagine you had to wait for the iPhone to boot every time you want to read some stuff on the internet or call someone.