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I want a warmer atmosphere. All the UN data points to a warmer atmosphere equating to more food and higher quality of life. I concede some concern about poten

I want a warmer atmosphere. All the UN data points to a warmer atmosphere equating to more food and higher quality of life. I concede some concern about potential feedback loops, but the reality is that earth was and still is in an ice age. Ice ages are not the norm on earth, I think it’s okay if we exit an ice age. Yes things will change, but it’ll be over decades to millennia. We’re working on carbon capture right now — 150 years after the start of the Industrial Revolution. By even the most imo insane estimates we are 50-70 years from even minor discomfort. I’m fairly confident we can fix the problem when it becomes a problem

lm28469 4y ago
> I want a warmer atmosphere. > All the UN data points to a warmer atmosphere equating to more food and higher quality of life. Globally and to a point, maybe. But that's not taking into account local effects and the millions (billion?) who'll be displaced and what comes with it Then you have ocean acidification, postivie and negative feedback that we won't be able to stop, &c. > I’m fairly confident we can fix the problem when it becomes a problem I’m fairly confident that the same UN data points, and basically the entire corpus of text about climate science, will show you that it's absolutely not how it works because the inertia is way too strong to only care about it when it's in front of you
- tfourb 4y ago
  Also, it is already a problem for billions of people every year and we haven't found a fix except emitting less CO2.
kbelder 4y ago
I somewhat agree. A climate several degrees warmer than recent history seems like it would be beneficial; in the past, warmer periods coincided with a lush and rich biosphere. More energy is available to life. Like you, long-term, I'm more worried about the upcoming ice age than runaway global warming. We know how to fix global warming, and will in the next hundred years: Nuclear and solar. But... warming can still be very disruptive in the short term. Coastlines moving a few hundred feet might be disastrous for entire regions. Staple crops failing in one nation and blooming in another may cause refugees, famine, and war. Politics is local.
matthewdgreen 4y ago
Last summer we had heat waves and droughts on three continents simultaneously, plus massive unprecedented floods in Pakistan. It doesn't take much to destroy a year's worth of crops, and the IPCC modeling doesn't really come to grips with what we're seeing.
Retric 4y ago
That was actually part of early models of climate change, but we’ve already crossed the point where the negatives from increased CO2 outweigh the positives. The problem is there are just so many small negatives such as extremely warm weather negatively impacting plant growth. But also less talked about problems like the increase in outdoor CO2 requiring more building ventilation to avoid indoor CO2 levels from giving people headaches. That’s right, global warming actually makes meetings inside air conditioned buildings worse.
ClumsyPilot 4y ago
> All the UN data points to a warmer atmosphere equating to more food and higher quality of life All data point to countries warmer than Spain having significant drops in life expectancy. Human body is less healthy in a tropical climate than it is in continental climate. A numbwr of cities will exceed 36 degrees C Wet Bulb Temperature in the summmer. Do you understand what that means? Over heating to death. Sweating does not work any more. Everyone living in those areas will become refugees. We are also losing all snowpack. No snowpack means droughts in summer and floods in winter. Lastly, we expect climate change to cause food shortages. It will not bw just poor countries that suffer. Nations will respond by banning food exports. Britain depends on imported food, it has not been self-sufficient for 100 years We have no crops that handle high heat well. We neber domesticated perrenial plants properly, they give much lower yields. Perrenial wheatgrass has half the yoeld of wheat. Potato planta shut down in high heat even if you provide them with water. You can turn the entire field i to soup, at 40 degrees potatoss don't grow. It is sad that most people do not comprehens the huge cost we will have to deal with this problem.
unaindz 4y ago
I live in northern Spain and I notice the summers and the winters getting hotter. This winter I didn't turn on the heat once and it was uncomfortable cold inside the house for like three days tops. It's normally uncomfortable at least for one or two months. On december it's freezing outside at night, this december we had flowers blossoming. What an issue right? Energy and money savings on all that gas and it's more comfortable outside. Well we beat the last hot temperature record last summer with 45⁰C, that's "kills your grandpa temperature" or 113F if you prefer. I'm scared of this summer, I don't have AC.

lm28469 4y ago

> I want a warmer atmosphere. > All the UN data points to a warmer atmosphere equating to more food and higher quality of life. Globally and to a point, maybe. But that's not taking into account local effects and the millions (billion?) who'll be displaced and what comes with it Then you have ocean acidification, postivie and negative feedback that we won't be able to stop, &c. > I’m fairly confident we can fix the problem when it becomes a problem I’m fairly confident that the same UN data points, and basically the entire corpus of text about climate science, will show you that it's absolutely not how it works because the inertia is way too strong to only care about it when it's in front of you

tfourb 4y ago
Also, it is already a problem for billions of people every year and we haven't found a fix except emitting less CO2.

kbelder 4y ago

I somewhat agree. A climate several degrees warmer than recent history seems like it would be beneficial; in the past, warmer periods coincided with a lush and rich biosphere. More energy is available to life. Like you, long-term, I'm more worried about the upcoming ice age than runaway global warming. We know how to fix global warming, and will in the next hundred years: Nuclear and solar. But... warming can still be very disruptive in the short term. Coastlines moving a few hundred feet might be disastrous for entire regions. Staple crops failing in one nation and blooming in another may cause refugees, famine, and war. Politics is local.

matthewdgreen 4y ago

Last summer we had heat waves and droughts on three continents simultaneously, plus massive unprecedented floods in Pakistan. It doesn't take much to destroy a year's worth of crops, and the IPCC modeling doesn't really come to grips with what we're seeing.

Retric 4y ago

That was actually part of early models of climate change, but we’ve already crossed the point where the negatives from increased CO2 outweigh the positives. The problem is there are just so many small negatives such as extremely warm weather negatively impacting plant growth. But also less talked about problems like the increase in outdoor CO2 requiring more building ventilation to avoid indoor CO2 levels from giving people headaches. That’s right, global warming actually makes meetings inside air conditioned buildings worse.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago

> All the UN data points to a warmer atmosphere equating to more food and higher quality of life All data point to countries warmer than Spain having significant drops in life expectancy. Human body is less healthy in a tropical climate than it is in continental climate. A numbwr of cities will exceed 36 degrees C Wet Bulb Temperature in the summmer. Do you understand what that means? Over heating to death. Sweating does not work any more. Everyone living in those areas will become refugees. We are also losing all snowpack. No snowpack means droughts in summer and floods in winter. Lastly, we expect climate change to cause food shortages. It will not bw just poor countries that suffer. Nations will respond by banning food exports. Britain depends on imported food, it has not been self-sufficient for 100 years We have no crops that handle high heat well. We neber domesticated perrenial plants properly, they give much lower yields. Perrenial wheatgrass has half the yoeld of wheat. Potato planta shut down in high heat even if you provide them with water. You can turn the entire field i to soup, at 40 degrees potatoss don't grow. It is sad that most people do not comprehens the huge cost we will have to deal with this problem.

unaindz 4y ago

I live in northern Spain and I notice the summers and the winters getting hotter. This winter I didn't turn on the heat once and it was uncomfortable cold inside the house for like three days tops. It's normally uncomfortable at least for one or two months. On december it's freezing outside at night, this december we had flowers blossoming. What an issue right? Energy and money savings on all that gas and it's more comfortable outside. Well we beat the last hot temperature record last summer with 45⁰C, that's "kills your grandpa temperature" or 113F if you prefer. I'm scared of this summer, I don't have AC.