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> you may think noone was held accountable for what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan (this just isn't true, heads rolled. I'm sorry, but I prefer to discuss re

> you may think noone was held accountable for what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan (this just isn't true, heads rolled. I'm sorry, but I prefer to discuss reality. Maybe heads rolled in an alternate universe, but not in the one I live in. > the genocide of the Uyghurs. There is no "genocide of the Uyghurs." This would be the first "genocide" in history in which nobody died. Using that word in this case is offensive. Genocide is an important word, and shouldn't be thrown around for cheap rhetorical points. I don't have a rosy view of the Chinese government either, but I object to this whitewashing of the US government, which has behaved especially egregiously on the world stage over the last 20+ years.

no_wizard 4y ago
You intentionally misrepresented my quote by leaving the latter part out, w/r/t it may look different to people not used to our democratic process and how our government works, which already makes me think you aren't engaging me in good faith here. As per genocide, well, multiple countries call it genocide, including France[0], Belgium[1], the UK[2], Canada[3] and many others. [0]: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/french-parliament-passes-motion-condemning-china-genocide-against-uyghurs-2022-01-20/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/french-parliament-passe... [1]: https://www.aninews.in/news/world/europe/belgian-parliament-passes-motion-recognising-genocide-against-uyghurs-in-chinas-xinjiang20210615202431/ https://www.aninews.in/news/world/europe/belgian-parliament-... [2]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037 [3]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56163220 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56163220
- DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
  > You intentionally misrepresented my quote by leaving the latter part out The rest of your quote doesn't substantially change the meaning. This is what I left out: "No, not everyone served a tribunal or trial, but that isn't the only form of justice, and yes, people did go to prison." Nobody of any importance went to prison. The highest levels of the Bush administration ordered torture, and publicly justified it. None of them went to prison. The CIA officers who tortured people? No prosecutions. The only people I'm aware of who went to prison were a few sadistic privates in the Abu Ghraib prison who took pictures that got leaked. > it may look different to people not used to our democratic process and how our government works People who don't think Bush et al. were held accountable for the Iraq War and for ordering a global kidnapping/torture program just don't understand the democratic process? Intriguing. > As per genocide, well, multiple countries call it genocide, including France[0], Belgium[1], the UK[2], Canada[3] and many others. Again, this is a "genocide" with a death toll of zero, even according to the people who are calling it a "genocide." This must be the first genocide in history in which no one died. I've rarely seen a propaganda campaign as transparent as this - even the disinformation campaign about Iraqi WMD had more plausibility.

no_wizard 4y ago

You intentionally misrepresented my quote by leaving the latter part out, w/r/t it may look different to people not used to our democratic process and how our government works, which already makes me think you aren't engaging me in good faith here. As per genocide, well, multiple countries call it genocide, including France[0], Belgium[1], the UK[2], Canada[3] and many others. [0]: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/french-parliament-passes-motion-condemning-china-genocide-against-uyghurs-2022-01-20/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/french-parliament-passe... [1]: https://www.aninews.in/news/world/europe/belgian-parliament-passes-motion-recognising-genocide-against-uyghurs-in-chinas-xinjiang20210615202431/ https://www.aninews.in/news/world/europe/belgian-parliament-... [2]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037 [3]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56163220 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56163220

DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
> You intentionally misrepresented my quote by leaving the latter part out The rest of your quote doesn't substantially change the meaning. This is what I left out: "No, not everyone served a tribunal or trial, but that isn't the only form of justice, and yes, people did go to prison." Nobody of any importance went to prison. The highest levels of the Bush administration ordered torture, and publicly justified it. None of them went to prison. The CIA officers who tortured people? No prosecutions. The only people I'm aware of who went to prison were a few sadistic privates in the Abu Ghraib prison who took pictures that got leaked. > it may look different to people not used to our democratic process and how our government works People who don't think Bush et al. were held accountable for the Iraq War and for ordering a global kidnapping/torture program just don't understand the democratic process? Intriguing. > As per genocide, well, multiple countries call it genocide, including France[0], Belgium[1], the UK[2], Canada[3] and many others. Again, this is a "genocide" with a death toll of zero, even according to the people who are calling it a "genocide." This must be the first genocide in history in which no one died. I've rarely seen a propaganda campaign as transparent as this - even the disinformation campaign about Iraqi WMD had more plausibility.