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Yeah you’re like a 1%er mastodon(s) will never ever hit anything close to the MAU of Facebook, Twitter, etc It will never hit wide spread adoption. You’ll have

by vuln 4y ago

Yeah you’re like a 1%er mastodon(s) will never ever hit anything close to the MAU of Facebook, Twitter, etc It will never hit wide spread adoption. You’ll have niches sure but your average John or Jane Doe don’t give 2 shits.

internetter 4y ago
But you could say this about any new platform? Of course it won't grow unless people use it? This is a self-perpetuating mindset that is obviously stupid (otherwise popular websites would not exist). I don't have the best words to describe this, but like Oh look! This looks great! But I won't use it because I don't think others will use it (but I also won't tell others about it because it's so unfortunate that no one will use it) Like what? If only some of the energy spent on saying a migration is impossible was spent on actually.... Migrating, the world would be a better place.
bachmeier 4y ago
I was responding to > the best of the social networks That has nothing to do with MAU. > You’ll have niches sure but your average John or Jane Doe don’t give 2 shits. Twitter itself is niche, as only 23% of people in the US use it: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/05/05/10-facts-about-americans-and-twitter/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/05/05/10-facts-ab... and even of those, most are occasional users with few tweets. Your average John or Jane Doe doesn't give 2 shits about Twitter.
- corbulo 4y ago
  Twitter is the only social media site every news org can't shut the fuck up about. That alone makes it not niche and beyond the influence reach of all the others; which in turn invites more interesting people, sources, conversation, public debate, and muckraking.
archagon 4y ago
So you don't get to be a narcissist with a megaphone? Only communicate to people who actually value your output? Sounds like a fantastic deal!
- corbulo 4y ago
  I dunno. Mastodon is having a veganism-style social effect from what i've observed. There are some networks that are very interesting there (such as the infosec ones) but its mostly contrarians and obsessivism for whatever the corpo zeitgeist is that given moment.
  - Kye 4y ago
    I mostly see talking animals hacking on retro computers and music and cool weird people building independent technology stacks and spaces. Your experience of Mastodon, like of Twitter, is what you make it. Except Mastodon won't randomly return you to a forced feed of stuff you didn't opt in to.
    - corbulo 4y ago
      Both are informed by their general audience. Mastodon has yet to make a big splash outside of highly insulated niche and/or politically charged circles. Mastodon simply can't reach the heights that Twitter can currently, its userbase is unlikely to be helpful to that end, as are its anti-indexing/search policies, which also make it a haven for many deeply unsavory activities.
      - Kye 4y ago
        >> "Mastodon simply can't reach the heights that Twitter can currently, its userbase is unlikely to be helpful to that end" People always present this like it's a failing. But it doesn't actually matter if the specific communities you want there are present in sufficient number. Eugen might be all about competing with Twitter, but he only speaks for the non-profit, not for the entirety of Mastodon, and certainly not for the popular forks or compatible AP platforms. If you can't find your people, you have two options: convince them to come, or accept it's not for you. Or if you've found the wrong people, that's on you to fix or move on from. It's not trying to splash, or be big. No more than Fidonet was. You're looking at it like it's a Compuserv or AOL with a profit motive or need to grow. A handful of thousand-user furry instances is plenty for people who come there for that. You are of course welcome to come in and try to build a branch of the fediverse that has growth as its aim, but you have to understand that isn't universally shared and will likely see your realm muted or blocked by people who just want to browse #FursuitFriday without the trolling and spam that happens on Twitter. Mastodon, the community as it is, not the project, is not looking for a to-the-moon growth chart in the lead up to a liquidity event. It doesn't care that corbulo on Hacker News can't find their people without doing the work to bring them. It's happy, stable, and self-sustaining as it is. >> "as are its anti-indexing/search policies, which also make it a haven for many deeply unsavory activities." I don't see those instances because they're muted and blocked in my spaces just like your Twitter replacement would be.

by vuln 4y ago

internetter 4y ago

But you could say this about any new platform? Of course it won't grow unless people use it? This is a self-perpetuating mindset that is obviously stupid (otherwise popular websites would not exist). I don't have the best words to describe this, but like Oh look! This looks great! But I won't use it because I don't think others will use it (but I also won't tell others about it because it's so unfortunate that no one will use it) Like what? If only some of the energy spent on saying a migration is impossible was spent on actually.... Migrating, the world would be a better place.

bachmeier 4y ago

I was responding to > the best of the social networks That has nothing to do with MAU. > You’ll have niches sure but your average John or Jane Doe don’t give 2 shits. Twitter itself is niche, as only 23% of people in the US use it: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/05/05/10-facts-about-americans-and-twitter/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/05/05/10-facts-ab... and even of those, most are occasional users with few tweets. Your average John or Jane Doe doesn't give 2 shits about Twitter.

corbulo 4y ago
Twitter is the only social media site every news org can't shut the fuck up about. That alone makes it not niche and beyond the influence reach of all the others; which in turn invites more interesting people, sources, conversation, public debate, and muckraking.

archagon 4y ago

So you don't get to be a narcissist with a megaphone? Only communicate to people who actually value your output? Sounds like a fantastic deal!

corbulo 4y ago
I dunno. Mastodon is having a veganism-style social effect from what i've observed. There are some networks that are very interesting there (such as the infosec ones) but its mostly contrarians and obsessivism for whatever the corpo zeitgeist is that given moment.
- Kye 4y ago
  I mostly see talking animals hacking on retro computers and music and cool weird people building independent technology stacks and spaces. Your experience of Mastodon, like of Twitter, is what you make it. Except Mastodon won't randomly return you to a forced feed of stuff you didn't opt in to.
  - corbulo 4y ago
    Both are informed by their general audience. Mastodon has yet to make a big splash outside of highly insulated niche and/or politically charged circles. Mastodon simply can't reach the heights that Twitter can currently, its userbase is unlikely to be helpful to that end, as are its anti-indexing/search policies, which also make it a haven for many deeply unsavory activities.
    - Kye 4y ago
      >> "Mastodon simply can't reach the heights that Twitter can currently, its userbase is unlikely to be helpful to that end" People always present this like it's a failing. But it doesn't actually matter if the specific communities you want there are present in sufficient number. Eugen might be all about competing with Twitter, but he only speaks for the non-profit, not for the entirety of Mastodon, and certainly not for the popular forks or compatible AP platforms. If you can't find your people, you have two options: convince them to come, or accept it's not for you. Or if you've found the wrong people, that's on you to fix or move on from. It's not trying to splash, or be big. No more than Fidonet was. You're looking at it like it's a Compuserv or AOL with a profit motive or need to grow. A handful of thousand-user furry instances is plenty for people who come there for that. You are of course welcome to come in and try to build a branch of the fediverse that has growth as its aim, but you have to understand that isn't universally shared and will likely see your realm muted or blocked by people who just want to browse #FursuitFriday without the trolling and spam that happens on Twitter. Mastodon, the community as it is, not the project, is not looking for a to-the-moon growth chart in the lead up to a liquidity event. It doesn't care that corbulo on Hacker News can't find their people without doing the work to bring them. It's happy, stable, and self-sustaining as it is. >> "as are its anti-indexing/search policies, which also make it a haven for many deeply unsavory activities." I don't see those instances because they're muted and blocked in my spaces just like your Twitter replacement would be.