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That is the other important aspect of the Jesus story. He was the son of God in human flesh, exemplified by the manner in which he lived ("good guy") and by his

That is the other important aspect of the Jesus story. He was the son of God in human flesh, exemplified by the manner in which he lived ("good guy") and by his teachings. Yet he was betrayed by one of his disciples, and died a distinctly "low death". I think it's more correct to say that God sent Jesus down to Earth and Jesus sacrificed himself / God forsake him, than "he is sacrificed by God". This is probably a bit nitpicky from your perspective. My main point is that there is no Christians that do not hold the following two aspects of Jesus as extremely important: (1) The life of Jesus: how he lived and what he taught (2) Jesus sacrificed on the cross Frankly, I think you're not familiar with Christian teachings if you claim otherwise, i.e. by disagreeing with a person who says that Jesus being a "good guy" is an important aspect of the Christian faith. It is important, unequivocally.

kcartlidge 4y ago
> i.e. by disagreeing with a person who says that Jesus being a "good guy" is an important aspect of the Christian faith To be fair - and without offering an opinion either way on the thread itself - they never disagreed it was important. What they said was "If you think Jesus being a 'good guy' is the most important part of Jesus, that's absolutely missing the point of Christianity".
- readthenotes1 4y ago
  God does miracles, whoop-de-doo. God avoids temptation, whatevs. God suffers as the sacrificial goat to expiate our sins? Yeah, right . A good guy doing those? That is the essential point of Christianity, that God became man in order to walk in our shoes but still show us how to walk better.
  - kcartlidge 4y ago
    I assume you're replying to me in error as my post says nothing about any of your points. In fact 50% of my entire comment was specifically saying I had no opinion either way.
AlbertCory 4y ago
Not disagreeing with you, but from my reading of early Christian history, there's a third fundamental belief: (3) He rose physically from the dead. That's why Easter is the most important Christian holiday.
calvinmorrison 4y ago
Thanks for writing this. I think you put it more accurately than I could have - I was just trying to head of the endless other religions, athiests, and non christians saying "Yeah jesus was a great guy! super nice!" and missing the point that, just being a good teacher or a kind person, or even a perfect person makes a new religion called Christianity. Without the divine nature of Christ, he would have been more of a Jewish reformer against the Pharisees. Sure there's the law, and I'm here to talk about it and to spread my thoughts and feelings on it and how we should interpret and use it. But that's not even the half of it.
nathan_compton 4y ago
Yeah, but like there have been and will continue to be plenty of good dudes. From a Christian point of view Christ's goodness is necessary, but not sufficient, to make him an important figure.

kcartlidge 4y ago

> i.e. by disagreeing with a person who says that Jesus being a "good guy" is an important aspect of the Christian faith To be fair - and without offering an opinion either way on the thread itself - they never disagreed it was important. What they said was "If you think Jesus being a 'good guy' is the most important part of Jesus, that's absolutely missing the point of Christianity".

readthenotes1 4y ago
God does miracles, whoop-de-doo. God avoids temptation, whatevs. God suffers as the sacrificial goat to expiate our sins? Yeah, right . A good guy doing those? That is the essential point of Christianity, that God became man in order to walk in our shoes but still show us how to walk better.
- kcartlidge 4y ago
  I assume you're replying to me in error as my post says nothing about any of your points. In fact 50% of my entire comment was specifically saying I had no opinion either way.

AlbertCory 4y ago

Not disagreeing with you, but from my reading of early Christian history, there's a third fundamental belief: (3) He rose physically from the dead. That's why Easter is the most important Christian holiday.

calvinmorrison 4y ago

Thanks for writing this. I think you put it more accurately than I could have - I was just trying to head of the endless other religions, athiests, and non christians saying "Yeah jesus was a great guy! super nice!" and missing the point that, just being a good teacher or a kind person, or even a perfect person makes a new religion called Christianity. Without the divine nature of Christ, he would have been more of a Jewish reformer against the Pharisees. Sure there's the law, and I'm here to talk about it and to spread my thoughts and feelings on it and how we should interpret and use it. But that's not even the half of it.

nathan_compton 4y ago

Yeah, but like there have been and will continue to be plenty of good dudes. From a Christian point of view Christ's goodness is necessary, but not sufficient, to make him an important figure.