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> But then as you get into it, you realize that you just can't do that if you want to make money How do other networks survive? Gettr, Rumble, Truth.social? Lo

> But then as you get into it, you realize that you just can't do that if you want to make money How do other networks survive? Gettr, Rumble, Truth.social? Locals? Is parler still around by the way? Arent these crowds sufficiently large to want to advertise to, or to monetize in some other way?

bmarquez 4y ago
I use Rumble and Locals frequently. Basically they're large enough now that normal creators (and not just those banned for extreme content) will post there, so if someone has both a YouTube and a Rumble, I watch the Rumble to support competition to Google. Locals has more of a Patreon-like model and isn't affected much by advertising. Gettr and Truth.social seem to be declining (IMO those two should merge because their user demographic is the same.)
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scarface74 4y ago
They “survive” by lighting money on fire.
- ilyt 4y ago
  So same as twitter did for majority of its existence
burkaman 4y ago
They have lots of moderation, even if they tell you they don't. Gettr: https://gettr.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/4833222621587-GETTR-Community-Guidelines https://gettr.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/4833222621587-GE... Rumble: https://corp.rumble.com/blog/rumble-proposes-an-open-source-content-moderation-policy-process-to-improve-transparency-put-creators-first/ https://corp.rumble.com/blog/rumble-proposes-an-open-source-... Truth Social: https://help.truthsocial.com/moderation/moderation-faq https://help.truthsocial.com/moderation/moderation-faq Locals: https://support.locals.com/en/article/how-to-moderate-posts-in-my-community-1ly49ay/ https://support.locals.com/en/article/how-to-moderate-posts-... I've never heard of Locals before, but the other three networks remove far more content than just what is outlined in those policies. Also, they probably don't make money.
- emporas 4y ago
  Indeed they do a lot of moderation all of them. My opinion is that misaligned economic incentives cause all of these services to be a bundle of smaller services. The wrong economic incentives discourage protocols from forming in the smaller services to be bundled afterwards to the whole, which is called social networking site. The smaller services could be: UI <protocol> Algorithm (Cpu, Gpu) <protocol> Disk Space. If the whole service was designed like this using well defined protocols, then we could use, the UI of facebook, the algorithm of twitter, and the disk space of instagram, or any combination. The same could be applied to cars. It could be defined like Engine <protocol> Hood (car shell) <protocol> Peripherals (lights etc). That way we would be able to use one's car engine into another car's hood etc. I think eventually that's the way everything is going to be designed, alongside with cars, buses etc, using protocols (ISO etc), and software as well. It is just that, it takes a while for the right economic incentives to get established.

bmarquez 4y ago

I use Rumble and Locals frequently. Basically they're large enough now that normal creators (and not just those banned for extreme content) will post there, so if someone has both a YouTube and a Rumble, I watch the Rumble to support competition to Google. Locals has more of a Patreon-like model and isn't affected much by advertising. Gettr and Truth.social seem to be declining (IMO those two should merge because their user demographic is the same.)

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scarface74 4y ago

They “survive” by lighting money on fire.

ilyt 4y ago
So same as twitter did for majority of its existence

burkaman 4y ago

They have lots of moderation, even if they tell you they don't. Gettr: https://gettr.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/4833222621587-GETTR-Community-Guidelines https://gettr.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/4833222621587-GE... Rumble: https://corp.rumble.com/blog/rumble-proposes-an-open-source-content-moderation-policy-process-to-improve-transparency-put-creators-first/ https://corp.rumble.com/blog/rumble-proposes-an-open-source-... Truth Social: https://help.truthsocial.com/moderation/moderation-faq https://help.truthsocial.com/moderation/moderation-faq Locals: https://support.locals.com/en/article/how-to-moderate-posts-in-my-community-1ly49ay/ https://support.locals.com/en/article/how-to-moderate-posts-... I've never heard of Locals before, but the other three networks remove far more content than just what is outlined in those policies. Also, they probably don't make money.

emporas 4y ago
Indeed they do a lot of moderation all of them. My opinion is that misaligned economic incentives cause all of these services to be a bundle of smaller services. The wrong economic incentives discourage protocols from forming in the smaller services to be bundled afterwards to the whole, which is called social networking site. The smaller services could be: UI <protocol> Algorithm (Cpu, Gpu) <protocol> Disk Space. If the whole service was designed like this using well defined protocols, then we could use, the UI of facebook, the algorithm of twitter, and the disk space of instagram, or any combination. The same could be applied to cars. It could be defined like Engine <protocol> Hood (car shell) <protocol> Peripherals (lights etc). That way we would be able to use one's car engine into another car's hood etc. I think eventually that's the way everything is going to be designed, alongside with cars, buses etc, using protocols (ISO etc), and software as well. It is just that, it takes a while for the right economic incentives to get established.