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<< Fuck that. We can do better, and these are shite excuses for not doing better. Ok. Lets say you have carte blanche to make changes. What do you propose as t
by A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
<< Fuck that. We can do better, and these are shite excuses for not doing better.
Ok. Lets say you have carte blanche to make changes. What do you propose as the priority? In other words, what would be the thing to do? I am dead serious. What is a good solution here?
<< That says a great deal about the quality of people you surround yourself with.
I deal with people as they are and not as I would like them to be. We can pretend its all sunshine and puppies, but I am not sure it is, at all, helpful to the conversation. And that includes that kid in the article. But yeah, I talk with everyone. I do my best not to enclose myself in a bubble. Now that is a recipe for an actual disaster down the line.
<< "In 2015..some or very little."
If I were to counter it, I would simply point out that you are attempting to compare apples to oranges. In other words:
"And you wonder why people don't like you." does not equal "respondents wanted more regulation".
I want more regulation ( I actively encourage it ), but the broadbrush stroke 'people don't like you' ( you being very open to interpretation so I left it in quotation marks is not exactly supported by the polls you quoted ) does not apply to me. Do you see a problem with this, lets call it, inaccurate language?
This is also before we get to the 'value' of those polls ( I was never a part of one and, frankly, don't know anyone who was.. so right of the bat, I am not entirely certain the population captured is representative of.. anything really ) and the source (MJ), which is not exactly a non-partisan player.
<< Note that the criminal justice system did better in this poll than Silicon Valley. And the group that did the worst was "Corporate America" which just might overlap with some other folks here.
I chuckled. It really made me question who had time to answer that poll, because I am sure the demographics would be a fascinating study in this case.
<< What we have here is a refusal to take responsibility for their own wrong actions, instead pointing the finger at Google, incentives, feigned helplessness, everyone else doing it, and it being "the real world".
What wrong actions? You did not offer specifics.
It is the real world. People compete with each other for scarce resources just like they did since the beginning of time. Fuck man, be happy that at least there are some rules to that competition. Are there advantages to being rich? Yeah. Is that new? No.
We are barely out of the jungle so best you can do is channel our predilections.
So I go back to my original question:
What is your solution beyond attempting to say 'tech community bad'.
edit/addendum:
What wrong actions? You did not offer specifics.
There is plenty wrong with tech today ( and if you go through my comments, you may even notice a pattern ), but I would like you to offer something beyond generic statements.
edit2:
I looked at the source data for your second link ( https://tech.co/news/millennials-dont-trust-silicon-valley-2016-09 https://tech.co/news/millennials-dont-trust-silicon-valley-2...; https://eig.org/millennial/ https://eig.org/millennial/ ) and their methodology is below:
On behalf of EY and the Economic Innovation Group, Public Opinion Strategies and GBA Strategies conducted a survey of 1,200 18-34 year olds nationwide. Eight hundred and forty respondents were contacted online and 360 were contacted via cell phone. The survey was conducted June 15-20, 2016, and has a margin of error of + 2.83%.
Do you see anything there makes your analysis somewhat dated?
- kerkeslager 4y ago> Ok. Lets say you have carte blanche to make changes. What do you propose as the priority? In other words, what would be the thing to do? I am dead serious. What is a good solution here? Gosh, I dunno, hire lower-income people? You're acting like there's some difficult problem here when there just isn't, and I'm not going to speculate why you think there is. If you think there's something more complicated that needs to be done than putting "Internship in <X> for Low-income Applicant" in the title and describing what you mean by "Low-income" in the description, I'm all ears. > But yeah, I talk with everyone. I do my best not to enclose myself in a bubble. Everyone, huh? And you've never heard that people don't like Silicon Valley or corporate types? That seems extraordinarily unlikely that you're very successful in not enclosing yourself in a bubble if you've never encountered anything but uniform positivity. Gallup and Pew seem to have no trouble finding people who don't like tech, but your anecdotal experience is definitely a more representative sample. > << "In 2015..some or very little." > If I were to counter it, I would simply point out that you are attempting to compare apples to oranges. "And you wonder why people don't like you." does not equal "respondents wanted more regulation". If you were to counter it, you'd have to not ignore most of it. My favorite part was where you quoted "respondents wanted more regulation", and ignored the first half of the sentence. Maybe it's just me, but "having a negative view on tech" seems awfully like they don't like you. > you being very open to interpretation so I left it in quotation marks is not exactly supported by the polls you quoted "You" being the tech/corporate/startup culture which is the ostensible target audience of HN users. > What wrong actions? You did not offer specifics. Gee, I thought you might have read the article we were talking about before you responded. Or do you really not see anything wrong with perpetuating income inequality by only providing opportunities to people with already-high income? Could it be that the reason you're nitpicking everything in my post is that you're actually just completely okay with inequality? > It is the real world. People compete with each other for scarce resources just like they did since the beginning of time. Fuck man, be happy that at least there are some rules to that competition. Are there advantages to being rich? Yeah. Is that new? No. Ah, so the only problems you're interested in solving are the new ones? Great. > We are barely out of the jungle so best you can do is channel our predilections. Feigned helplessness again. > What is your solution beyond attempting to say 'tech community bad'. What is your problem beyond attempting to say "it's absolutely impossible to hire poor people"? > Do you see anything there makes your analysis somewhat dated? Ah right, 2016, I'm sure all those people are dead by now.