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It is mindblowing that anyone still uses that garbage platform. Much respect to Musk for figuring out a productive use of his money (making other people misera

It is mindblowing that anyone still uses that garbage platform. Much respect to Musk for figuring out a productive use of his money (making other people miserable out of spite).

blfr 4y ago
Why garbage platform, it's the best of the social networks. By far. Perhaps the most entertaining site on the Internet. It's really no wonder people use it.
- bachmeier 4y ago
  Mastodon has replaced Twitter as my default, though I still use both. Twitter has too much promotion and too little interaction in 2023.
  - vuln 4y ago
    Yeah you’re like a 1%er mastodon(s) will never ever hit anything close to the MAU of Facebook, Twitter, etc It will never hit wide spread adoption. You’ll have niches sure but your average John or Jane Doe don’t give 2 shits.
    - internetter 4y ago
      But you could say this about any new platform? Of course it won't grow unless people use it? This is a self-perpetuating mindset that is obviously stupid (otherwise popular websites would not exist). I don't have the best words to describe this, but like Oh look! This looks great! But I won't use it because I don't think others will use it (but I also won't tell others about it because it's so unfortunate that no one will use it) Like what? If only some of the energy spent on saying a migration is impossible was spent on actually.... Migrating, the world would be a better place.
    - bachmeier 4y ago
      I was responding to > the best of the social networks That has nothing to do with MAU. > You’ll have niches sure but your average John or Jane Doe don’t give 2 shits. Twitter itself is niche, as only 23% of people in the US use it: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/05/05/10-facts-about-americans-and-twitter/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/05/05/10-facts-ab... and even of those, most are occasional users with few tweets. Your average John or Jane Doe doesn't give 2 shits about Twitter.
      - corbulo 4y ago
        Twitter is the only social media site every news org can't shut the fuck up about. That alone makes it not niche and beyond the influence reach of all the others; which in turn invites more interesting people, sources, conversation, public debate, and muckraking.
    - archagon 4y ago
      So you don't get to be a narcissist with a megaphone? Only communicate to people who actually value your output? Sounds like a fantastic deal!
      - corbulo 4y ago
        I dunno. Mastodon is having a veganism-style social effect from what i've observed. There are some networks that are very interesting there (such as the infosec ones) but its mostly contrarians and obsessivism for whatever the corpo zeitgeist is that given moment.
        Kye 4y ago
        I mostly see talking animals hacking on retro computers and music and cool weird people building independent technology stacks and spaces. Your experience of Mastodon, like of Twitter, is what you make it. Except Mastodon won't randomly return you to a forced feed of stuff you didn't opt in to.
        corbulo 4y ago
        Both are informed by their general audience. Mastodon has yet to make a big splash outside of highly insulated niche and/or politically charged circles. Mastodon simply can't reach the heights that Twitter can currently, its userbase is unlikely to be helpful to that end, as are its anti-indexing/search policies, which also make it a haven for many deeply unsavory activities.
        Kye 3y ago
        >> "Mastodon simply can't reach the heights that Twitter can currently, its userbase is unlikely to be helpful to that end" People always present this like it's a failing. But it doesn't actually matter if the specific communities you want there are present in sufficient number. Eugen might be all about competing with Twitter, but he only speaks for the non-profit, not for the entirety of Mastodon, and certainly not for the popular forks or compatible AP platforms. If you can't find your people, you have two options: convince them to come, or accept it's not for you. Or if you've found the wrong people, that's on you to fix or move on from. It's not trying to splash, or be big. No more than Fidonet was. You're looking at it like it's a Compuserv or AOL with a profit motive or need to grow. A handful of thousand-user furry instances is plenty for people who come there for that. You are of course welcome to come in and try to build a branch of the fediverse that has growth as its aim, but you have to understand that isn't universally shared and will likely see your realm muted or blocked by people who just want to browse #FursuitFriday without the trolling and spam that happens on Twitter. Mastodon, the community as it is, not the project, is not looking for a to-the-moon growth chart in the lead up to a liquidity event. It doesn't care that corbulo on Hacker News can't find their people without doing the work to bring them. It's happy, stable, and self-sustaining as it is. >> "as are its anti-indexing/search policies, which also make it a haven for many deeply unsavory activities." I don't see those instances because they're muted and blocked in my spaces just like your Twitter replacement would be.
  - lanstin 4y ago
    To reply to the sibling, give it time. For a long time AOL and Compuserve were bigger than SMTP but not for ever. The growth has been steady and the user experience fun. The two things twitter still excelled at are speed of news during something like a mass shooting in a school, and the quick wit. People are kinder on mastodon, as I think I am, but it makes for less chuckles. But more interactions. I post a lot, and have interacted with more famous people on Mastodon than in 10 years or whatever or twitter.
- afrcnc 4y ago
  "the best of the social networks" it's literally crypto spam and neo-nazis on that site now... how is this the "best"
  - tim333 3y ago
    There's all sorts of stuff there and you can filter it to some extent
  - ilyt 4y ago
    The "best" and "most popular" is often conflated
  - DeusExMachina 3y ago
    It's literally not. I don't see any of those two things you mentioned. Unless you want to call neo-nazis anyone with an opinion you don't agree with, as some do. And even then, you still can't classify as crypto spam everything else.
- cratermoon 3y ago
  If that's the best, maybe the whole concept of the social network needs to be thrown in the dumpster.
spiffytech 4y ago
Only one person I follow has left Twitter. I'll be (stuck) here as long as the interesting people stick around.
- Me1000 4y ago
  A lot of the interesting tech people I used to follow on Twitter have moved to Mastodon. Not having a lot of the other noise makes Mastodon feel a lot more like the early Twitter that I used to love.

It is mindblowing that anyone still uses that garbage platform. Much respect to Musk for figuring out a productive use of his money (making other people miserable out of spite).

blfr 4y ago

Why garbage platform, it's the best of the social networks. By far. Perhaps the most entertaining site on the Internet. It's really no wonder people use it.

bachmeier 4y ago
Mastodon has replaced Twitter as my default, though I still use both. Twitter has too much promotion and too little interaction in 2023.
- vuln 4y ago
  Yeah you’re like a 1%er mastodon(s) will never ever hit anything close to the MAU of Facebook, Twitter, etc It will never hit wide spread adoption. You’ll have niches sure but your average John or Jane Doe don’t give 2 shits.
  - internetter 4y ago
    But you could say this about any new platform? Of course it won't grow unless people use it? This is a self-perpetuating mindset that is obviously stupid (otherwise popular websites would not exist). I don't have the best words to describe this, but like Oh look! This looks great! But I won't use it because I don't think others will use it (but I also won't tell others about it because it's so unfortunate that no one will use it) Like what? If only some of the energy spent on saying a migration is impossible was spent on actually.... Migrating, the world would be a better place.
  - bachmeier 4y ago
    I was responding to > the best of the social networks That has nothing to do with MAU. > You’ll have niches sure but your average John or Jane Doe don’t give 2 shits. Twitter itself is niche, as only 23% of people in the US use it: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/05/05/10-facts-about-americans-and-twitter/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/05/05/10-facts-ab... and even of those, most are occasional users with few tweets. Your average John or Jane Doe doesn't give 2 shits about Twitter.
    - corbulo 4y ago
      Twitter is the only social media site every news org can't shut the fuck up about. That alone makes it not niche and beyond the influence reach of all the others; which in turn invites more interesting people, sources, conversation, public debate, and muckraking.
  - archagon 4y ago
    So you don't get to be a narcissist with a megaphone? Only communicate to people who actually value your output? Sounds like a fantastic deal!
    - corbulo 4y ago
      I dunno. Mastodon is having a veganism-style social effect from what i've observed. There are some networks that are very interesting there (such as the infosec ones) but its mostly contrarians and obsessivism for whatever the corpo zeitgeist is that given moment.
      - Kye 4y ago
        I mostly see talking animals hacking on retro computers and music and cool weird people building independent technology stacks and spaces. Your experience of Mastodon, like of Twitter, is what you make it. Except Mastodon won't randomly return you to a forced feed of stuff you didn't opt in to.
        corbulo 4y ago
        Both are informed by their general audience. Mastodon has yet to make a big splash outside of highly insulated niche and/or politically charged circles. Mastodon simply can't reach the heights that Twitter can currently, its userbase is unlikely to be helpful to that end, as are its anti-indexing/search policies, which also make it a haven for many deeply unsavory activities.
        Kye 3y ago
        >> "Mastodon simply can't reach the heights that Twitter can currently, its userbase is unlikely to be helpful to that end" People always present this like it's a failing. But it doesn't actually matter if the specific communities you want there are present in sufficient number. Eugen might be all about competing with Twitter, but he only speaks for the non-profit, not for the entirety of Mastodon, and certainly not for the popular forks or compatible AP platforms. If you can't find your people, you have two options: convince them to come, or accept it's not for you. Or if you've found the wrong people, that's on you to fix or move on from. It's not trying to splash, or be big. No more than Fidonet was. You're looking at it like it's a Compuserv or AOL with a profit motive or need to grow. A handful of thousand-user furry instances is plenty for people who come there for that. You are of course welcome to come in and try to build a branch of the fediverse that has growth as its aim, but you have to understand that isn't universally shared and will likely see your realm muted or blocked by people who just want to browse #FursuitFriday without the trolling and spam that happens on Twitter. Mastodon, the community as it is, not the project, is not looking for a to-the-moon growth chart in the lead up to a liquidity event. It doesn't care that corbulo on Hacker News can't find their people without doing the work to bring them. It's happy, stable, and self-sustaining as it is. >> "as are its anti-indexing/search policies, which also make it a haven for many deeply unsavory activities." I don't see those instances because they're muted and blocked in my spaces just like your Twitter replacement would be.
- lanstin 4y ago
  To reply to the sibling, give it time. For a long time AOL and Compuserve were bigger than SMTP but not for ever. The growth has been steady and the user experience fun. The two things twitter still excelled at are speed of news during something like a mass shooting in a school, and the quick wit. People are kinder on mastodon, as I think I am, but it makes for less chuckles. But more interactions. I post a lot, and have interacted with more famous people on Mastodon than in 10 years or whatever or twitter.
afrcnc 4y ago
"the best of the social networks" it's literally crypto spam and neo-nazis on that site now... how is this the "best"
- tim333 3y ago
  There's all sorts of stuff there and you can filter it to some extent
- ilyt 4y ago
  The "best" and "most popular" is often conflated
- DeusExMachina 3y ago
  It's literally not. I don't see any of those two things you mentioned. Unless you want to call neo-nazis anyone with an opinion you don't agree with, as some do. And even then, you still can't classify as crypto spam everything else.
cratermoon 3y ago
If that's the best, maybe the whole concept of the social network needs to be thrown in the dumpster.

spiffytech 4y ago

Only one person I follow has left Twitter. I'll be (stuck) here as long as the interesting people stick around.

Me1000 4y ago
A lot of the interesting tech people I used to follow on Twitter have moved to Mastodon. Not having a lot of the other noise makes Mastodon feel a lot more like the early Twitter that I used to love.