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I experienced a very similar situation in Denver before I decided to leave. From friends and acquaintances I gather that Portland and Seattle are in similar sit

I experienced a very similar situation in Denver before I decided to leave. From friends and acquaintances I gather that Portland and Seattle are in similar situations as well. NYC doesn't seem quite as bad, but it's definitely trending in a similar direction. All of these arguments over crime rates and policing remind me a lot of The Wire, especially Season 3. For those who haven't watched it, it deep dives into the relationship between crime on the street and the high-level political maneuvering to which those crimes are merely an inconvenience, not a problem that needs fixing. Lots of pressure from folks at the top of city government to reduce numbers, rather than fixing the issues. And the frustration at the bottom of that pile, when everyday police officers realize they can't fix structural problems. Makes me wonder what happened to make US cities so much better in the 2010s. Is it just a prosperity thing related to tech wealth? Because it feels like these exact issues were a huge problem in the 90s, and they somehow got better for a decade and a half before covid brought them back worse than ever.

anon291 4y ago
> Makes me wonder what happened to make US cities so much better in the 2010s. Is it just a prosperity thing related to tech wealth? Because it feels like these exact issues were a huge problem in the 90s, and they somehow got better for a decade and a half before covid brought them back worse than ever. These were issues in the 90s, and then Giuliani in NY and Riordan in LA spearheaded large cities adding more police officers, a trend which continued until the present day.
nsnick 4y ago
I have lived in San Francisco, Portland, and Seattle since the pandemic started and while Portland and Seattle have gotten worse, they don’t hold a candle to how dangerous San Francisco has become. There are parts of San Francisco I won’t walk around in the day time. There simply isn’t anywhere like the tenderloin or SOMA in either Portland or Seattle.
- notch898b 4y ago
  Witness the cash app CEO desperately trying to get attention of passing cars and no one gives a fuck to see him bleeding out in the street https://www.usasupreme.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/cahs-app-founder.mp4?_=1 https://www.usasupreme.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/cahs-a... rotten.
bombcar 4y ago
> Makes me wonder what happened to make US cities so much better in the 2010s. It may just be anecdata but from what I remember you had much more "pockets" of bad areas, often which would be pushed just outside the city limits into a neighboring city. But even accounting for that total statewide numbers seemed lower.
colpabar 4y ago
> Lots of pressure from folks at the top of city government to reduce numbers, rather than fixing the issues. This is what I see too, and it seems glaringly obvious. Progressives want to reduce the incarceration rate, and any DA (or anyone in government really) will want to reduce the crime rate. By not prosecuting criminals, and facilitating the underreporting of crime, they get both. It makes absolutely no sense to me for a DA to unilaterally decide to prosecute less without any kind of corresponding change to how the police operate. If criminals know they won't be punished, and the issues that are causing them to commit crimes haven't been fixed, they will commit more crimes.

anon291 4y ago

> Makes me wonder what happened to make US cities so much better in the 2010s. Is it just a prosperity thing related to tech wealth? Because it feels like these exact issues were a huge problem in the 90s, and they somehow got better for a decade and a half before covid brought them back worse than ever. These were issues in the 90s, and then Giuliani in NY and Riordan in LA spearheaded large cities adding more police officers, a trend which continued until the present day.

nsnick 4y ago

I have lived in San Francisco, Portland, and Seattle since the pandemic started and while Portland and Seattle have gotten worse, they don’t hold a candle to how dangerous San Francisco has become. There are parts of San Francisco I won’t walk around in the day time. There simply isn’t anywhere like the tenderloin or SOMA in either Portland or Seattle.

notch898b 4y ago
Witness the cash app CEO desperately trying to get attention of passing cars and no one gives a fuck to see him bleeding out in the street https://www.usasupreme.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/cahs-app-founder.mp4?_=1 https://www.usasupreme.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/cahs-a... rotten.

bombcar 4y ago

> Makes me wonder what happened to make US cities so much better in the 2010s. It may just be anecdata but from what I remember you had much more "pockets" of bad areas, often which would be pushed just outside the city limits into a neighboring city. But even accounting for that total statewide numbers seemed lower.

colpabar 4y ago

> Lots of pressure from folks at the top of city government to reduce numbers, rather than fixing the issues. This is what I see too, and it seems glaringly obvious. Progressives want to reduce the incarceration rate, and any DA (or anyone in government really) will want to reduce the crime rate. By not prosecuting criminals, and facilitating the underreporting of crime, they get both. It makes absolutely no sense to me for a DA to unilaterally decide to prosecute less without any kind of corresponding change to how the police operate. If criminals know they won't be punished, and the issues that are causing them to commit crimes haven't been fixed, they will commit more crimes.