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I don't even know to respond to the assertion that China is more irresponsibility militaristic than USA. Based on which facts?

no_wizard 4y ago
its not that simple either. I readily acknowledge our misadventures. We're a complex nation, same as any other, with real costs and unfortunately many ruined lives at home and abroad. I'm not pleading ignorance, there are aspects of "American Exceptionalism" that are problematic and indefensible. I never (as many Americans) supported invading Afghanistan or Iraq. The CIA should have never messed around in many countries, (including but not limited to Iran, Cuba and Argentina) I also want to recognize that I can freely talk about this publicly, openly, and take to the streets with protests against such things, without fear the government will lock me up in a labor camp or "disappear" people (re: Jack Ma). Its foolish to think that just because we've made mistakes that we don't have real advantages on the world stage that may still be far preferable to some alternatives, for starters. Nuance is required here, no? Its important to evaluate all aspects of what you're dealing with.
- pphysch 4y ago
  > Its foolish to think that just because we've made mistakes that we don't have real advantages on the world stage that may still be fair preferable to some alternatives, for starters. Please embellish. What does USA do that offsets its constant warmongering and economic coercion, and how can you possibly know that outside of blind faith?
  - no_wizard 4y ago
    This wasn't what I said, not even in spirit, so if you have a specific redress I'm open to it, but so far you're throwing empty statements the wall
  - JorikTheBird 4y ago
    So you don't believe in Chinese economic coercion?
- l3mure 4y ago
  > I also want to recognize that I can freely talk about this publicly, openly, and take to the streets with protests against such things, without fear the government will lock me up in a labor camp or "disappear" people (re: Jack Ma). It's because those protests are almost totally impotent and actually reinforce state power. The protests against the Iraq war were some of the largest in history and achieved precisely squat. When there is some seed of real potential, like the Floyd protests, everything you're saying doesn't happen absolutely can and does. https://abcnews.go.com/US/body-cam-footage-shows-minneapolis-police-allegedly-hunting/story?id=80434010 https://abcnews.go.com/US/body-cam-footage-shows-minneapolis... https://www.npr.org/2020/07/17/892277592/federal-officers-use-unmarked-vehicles-to-grab-protesters-in-portland https://www.npr.org/2020/07/17/892277592/federal-officers-us... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/02/police-shootings-less-lethal-eye-vision https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/02/police-shoot...
  - JorikTheBird 4y ago
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no_wizard 4y ago

its not that simple either. I readily acknowledge our misadventures. We're a complex nation, same as any other, with real costs and unfortunately many ruined lives at home and abroad. I'm not pleading ignorance, there are aspects of "American Exceptionalism" that are problematic and indefensible. I never (as many Americans) supported invading Afghanistan or Iraq. The CIA should have never messed around in many countries, (including but not limited to Iran, Cuba and Argentina) I also want to recognize that I can freely talk about this publicly, openly, and take to the streets with protests against such things, without fear the government will lock me up in a labor camp or "disappear" people (re: Jack Ma). Its foolish to think that just because we've made mistakes that we don't have real advantages on the world stage that may still be far preferable to some alternatives, for starters. Nuance is required here, no? Its important to evaluate all aspects of what you're dealing with.

pphysch 4y ago
> Its foolish to think that just because we've made mistakes that we don't have real advantages on the world stage that may still be fair preferable to some alternatives, for starters. Please embellish. What does USA do that offsets its constant warmongering and economic coercion, and how can you possibly know that outside of blind faith?
- no_wizard 4y ago
  This wasn't what I said, not even in spirit, so if you have a specific redress I'm open to it, but so far you're throwing empty statements the wall
- JorikTheBird 4y ago
  So you don't believe in Chinese economic coercion?
l3mure 4y ago
> I also want to recognize that I can freely talk about this publicly, openly, and take to the streets with protests against such things, without fear the government will lock me up in a labor camp or "disappear" people (re: Jack Ma). It's because those protests are almost totally impotent and actually reinforce state power. The protests against the Iraq war were some of the largest in history and achieved precisely squat. When there is some seed of real potential, like the Floyd protests, everything you're saying doesn't happen absolutely can and does. https://abcnews.go.com/US/body-cam-footage-shows-minneapolis-police-allegedly-hunting/story?id=80434010 https://abcnews.go.com/US/body-cam-footage-shows-minneapolis... https://www.npr.org/2020/07/17/892277592/federal-officers-use-unmarked-vehicles-to-grab-protesters-in-portland https://www.npr.org/2020/07/17/892277592/federal-officers-us... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/02/police-shootings-less-lethal-eye-vision https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/02/police-shoot...
- JorikTheBird 4y ago
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