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1 rich person gets stabbed and all of a sudden the city is lawless...

by cde-v 4y ago

rm_-rf_slash 4y ago
Union Square smash-&-grabs, auto break-ins, open air drug markets, street defecation… there’s evidence aplenty of lawlessness in San Francisco beyond the narrow confines of homicide.
- Entinel 4y ago
  I think the point they are making is that the Bay has been descending into anarchy for a long time but it is only when a famous rich person dies that we are making an uproar about it.
  - bombcar 4y ago
    People have been making an uproar about it (go back years on any story on HN involving "housing (costs) in San Francisco" and you'll see it) - the uproar is louder because the people inclined to dismiss/ignore the problem can now be confronted with an example of 'someone like them'. > The report said at least 50 gig drivers for companies like Uber, Lyft and DoorDash had been killed while on the job in the United States since 2017. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/business/uber-lyft-driver-deaths.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/business/uber-lyft-driver... Nobody cares about gig workers getting killed, for example, it's just noise, because it doesn't affect those who are not gig workers.
yardie 4y ago
I think the practical rule is if you don't want to get stabbed don't go to areas where stabbings happen. And generally, this tends to be true almost everywhere in the world. The fact that this happens in an area not particular high in crime belies that rule. Even on HN, when we talk about crime in San Francisco the defenders will normally point out it's just a few problem locations. But how do you respond when violent crime emerges outside of those locations?
latchkey 4y ago
It is much much worse than that.
jvmfjvfjvflkj 4y ago
Have you seen the videos of elderly Asians in SF being assaulted and robbed in daylight?
- esalman 4y ago
  Been happening for years too.
rwalle 4y ago
If you had just casually paid attention to San Francisco in the news you would not say this.
- hot_gril 4y ago
  No, I agree that SF is dangerous, but the article is silly. "Stabbing of Cash App Creator Raises Alarm." Like, why this stabbing in particular?
Karrot_Kream 4y ago
Tech people grow up in more wealthy backgrounds than most Americans and as such they're much more sensitive to the perception of crime than others. Because of their backgrounds, they're also more likely to empathize with a rich person than a poor person in East Palo Alto who died from a stray bullet. America is not safe at all compared to most other developed countries. The rich usually just segregate themselves out of the crime.
sremani 4y ago
The city was lawless enough that an elected DA was recalled which does not happen often. The decline of SF is real. Murder of Bob Lee, is further evidence how the steep the decline is.

1 rich person gets stabbed and all of a sudden the city is lawless...

by cde-v 4y ago

1 rich person gets stabbed and all of a sudden the city is lawless...

Union Square smash-&-grabs, auto break-ins, open air drug markets, street defecation… there’s evidence aplenty of lawlessness in San Francisco beyond the narrow confines of homicide.

Entinel 4y ago
I think the point they are making is that the Bay has been descending into anarchy for a long time but it is only when a famous rich person dies that we are making an uproar about it.
- bombcar 4y ago
  People have been making an uproar about it (go back years on any story on HN involving "housing (costs) in San Francisco" and you'll see it) - the uproar is louder because the people inclined to dismiss/ignore the problem can now be confronted with an example of 'someone like them'. > The report said at least 50 gig drivers for companies like Uber, Lyft and DoorDash had been killed while on the job in the United States since 2017. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/business/uber-lyft-driver-deaths.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/business/uber-lyft-driver... Nobody cares about gig workers getting killed, for example, it's just noise, because it doesn't affect those who are not gig workers.

yardie 4y ago

I think the practical rule is if you don't want to get stabbed don't go to areas where stabbings happen. And generally, this tends to be true almost everywhere in the world. The fact that this happens in an area not particular high in crime belies that rule. Even on HN, when we talk about crime in San Francisco the defenders will normally point out it's just a few problem locations. But how do you respond when violent crime emerges outside of those locations?

latchkey 4y ago

It is much much worse than that.

jvmfjvfjvflkj 4y ago

Have you seen the videos of elderly Asians in SF being assaulted and robbed in daylight?

esalman 4y ago
Been happening for years too.

rwalle 4y ago

If you had just casually paid attention to San Francisco in the news you would not say this.

hot_gril 4y ago
No, I agree that SF is dangerous, but the article is silly. "Stabbing of Cash App Creator Raises Alarm." Like, why this stabbing in particular?

Karrot_Kream 4y ago

Tech people grow up in more wealthy backgrounds than most Americans and as such they're much more sensitive to the perception of crime than others. Because of their backgrounds, they're also more likely to empathize with a rich person than a poor person in East Palo Alto who died from a stray bullet. America is not safe at all compared to most other developed countries. The rich usually just segregate themselves out of the crime.

sremani 4y ago

The city was lawless enough that an elected DA was recalled which does not happen often. The decline of SF is real. Murder of Bob Lee, is further evidence how the steep the decline is.