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Can you define what you find a reprehensible position and break it down for me? I see nothing so far that is outside the bounds of average conversations with pe

Can you define what you find a reprehensible position and break it down for me? I see nothing so far that is outside the bounds of average conversations with people I know. edit: << And you wonder why people don't like you. I try to keep abreast of US 'mood' in various ways, but that jumped at me. Do you have anything to back up that statement?

kerkeslager 4y ago
> Can you define what you find a reprehensible position and break it down for me? "Google does the wrong thing because it's good for them, wouldn't you? Doing the wrong thing is fine if it's good for you." - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35481970#35482297 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35481970#35482297 "We can't do anything about this. And: Everybody else is doing it, so that makes it okay!" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35481970#35482248 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35481970#35482248 "Welcome to the real world." - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35481970#35482260 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35481970#35482260 What we have here is a refusal to take responsibility for their own wrong actions, instead pointing the finger at Google, incentives, feigned helplessness, everyone else doing it, and it being "the real world". Fuck that. We can do better, and these are shite excuses for not doing better. > I see nothing so far that is outside the bounds of average conversations with people I know. That says a great deal about the quality of people you surround yourself with. > I try to keep abreast of US 'mood' in various ways, but that jumped at me. Do you have anything to back up that statement? "In 2015, a Pew poll found 71 percent of the country had a positive view on tech, and 17 a negative one. A 2019 follow-up found only 50 percent had a positive view, with 33 percent having a negative one. A Gallup poll from 2020 put positive views of tech companies at just 46 percent and found that 57 percent of US respondents wanted more regulation. In 2022, Morning Consult found 67 percent of respondents favoring regulation, and agreeing tech’s benefits did not outweigh the power the industry had accrued." - https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/03/silicon-valley-bank-big-tech/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/03/silicon-valley-... "Silicon Valley also ranked as the least certain confidence-inspirer on the list: Another 24 percent said they were “unsure” how much confidence they had in it, while 49 percent said they had “some or very little.”" - https://tech.co/news/millennials-dont-trust-silicon-valley-2016-09 https://tech.co/news/millennials-dont-trust-silicon-valley-2... Note that the criminal justice system did better in this poll than Silicon Valley. And the group that did the worst was "Corporate America" which just might overlap with some other folks here.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
  << Fuck that. We can do better, and these are shite excuses for not doing better. Ok. Lets say you have carte blanche to make changes. What do you propose as the priority? In other words, what would be the thing to do? I am dead serious. What is a good solution here? << That says a great deal about the quality of people you surround yourself with. I deal with people as they are and not as I would like them to be. We can pretend its all sunshine and puppies, but I am not sure it is, at all, helpful to the conversation. And that includes that kid in the article. But yeah, I talk with everyone. I do my best not to enclose myself in a bubble. Now that is a recipe for an actual disaster down the line. << "In 2015..some or very little." If I were to counter it, I would simply point out that you are attempting to compare apples to oranges. In other words: "And you wonder why people don't like you." does not equal "respondents wanted more regulation". I want more regulation ( I actively encourage it ), but the broadbrush stroke 'people don't like you' ( you being very open to interpretation so I left it in quotation marks is not exactly supported by the polls you quoted ) does not apply to me. Do you see a problem with this, lets call it, inaccurate language? This is also before we get to the 'value' of those polls ( I was never a part of one and, frankly, don't know anyone who was.. so right of the bat, I am not entirely certain the population captured is representative of.. anything really ) and the source (MJ), which is not exactly a non-partisan player. << Note that the criminal justice system did better in this poll than Silicon Valley. And the group that did the worst was "Corporate America" which just might overlap with some other folks here. I chuckled. It really made me question who had time to answer that poll, because I am sure the demographics would be a fascinating study in this case. << What we have here is a refusal to take responsibility for their own wrong actions, instead pointing the finger at Google, incentives, feigned helplessness, everyone else doing it, and it being "the real world". What wrong actions? You did not offer specifics. It is the real world. People compete with each other for scarce resources just like they did since the beginning of time. Fuck man, be happy that at least there are some rules to that competition. Are there advantages to being rich? Yeah. Is that new? No. We are barely out of the jungle so best you can do is channel our predilections. So I go back to my original question: What is your solution beyond attempting to say 'tech community bad'. edit/addendum: What wrong actions? You did not offer specifics. There is plenty wrong with tech today ( and if you go through my comments, you may even notice a pattern ), but I would like you to offer something beyond generic statements. edit2: I looked at the source data for your second link ( https://tech.co/news/millennials-dont-trust-silicon-valley-2016-09 https://tech.co/news/millennials-dont-trust-silicon-valley-2...; https://eig.org/millennial/ https://eig.org/millennial/ ) and their methodology is below: On behalf of EY and the Economic Innovation Group, Public Opinion Strategies and GBA Strategies conducted a survey of 1,200 18-34 year olds nationwide. Eight hundred and forty respondents were contacted online and 360 were contacted via cell phone. The survey was conducted June 15-20, 2016, and has a margin of error of + 2.83%. Do you see anything there makes your analysis somewhat dated?

kerkeslager 4y ago

> Can you define what you find a reprehensible position and break it down for me? "Google does the wrong thing because it's good for them, wouldn't you? Doing the wrong thing is fine if it's good for you." - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35481970#35482297 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35481970#35482297 "We can't do anything about this. And: Everybody else is doing it, so that makes it okay!" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35481970#35482248 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35481970#35482248 "Welcome to the real world." - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35481970#35482260 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35481970#35482260 What we have here is a refusal to take responsibility for their own wrong actions, instead pointing the finger at Google, incentives, feigned helplessness, everyone else doing it, and it being "the real world". Fuck that. We can do better, and these are shite excuses for not doing better. > I see nothing so far that is outside the bounds of average conversations with people I know. That says a great deal about the quality of people you surround yourself with. > I try to keep abreast of US 'mood' in various ways, but that jumped at me. Do you have anything to back up that statement? "In 2015, a Pew poll found 71 percent of the country had a positive view on tech, and 17 a negative one. A 2019 follow-up found only 50 percent had a positive view, with 33 percent having a negative one. A Gallup poll from 2020 put positive views of tech companies at just 46 percent and found that 57 percent of US respondents wanted more regulation. In 2022, Morning Consult found 67 percent of respondents favoring regulation, and agreeing tech’s benefits did not outweigh the power the industry had accrued." - https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/03/silicon-valley-bank-big-tech/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/03/silicon-valley-... "Silicon Valley also ranked as the least certain confidence-inspirer on the list: Another 24 percent said they were “unsure” how much confidence they had in it, while 49 percent said they had “some or very little.”" - https://tech.co/news/millennials-dont-trust-silicon-valley-2016-09 https://tech.co/news/millennials-dont-trust-silicon-valley-2... Note that the criminal justice system did better in this poll than Silicon Valley. And the group that did the worst was "Corporate America" which just might overlap with some other folks here.

A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
<< Fuck that. We can do better, and these are shite excuses for not doing better. Ok. Lets say you have carte blanche to make changes. What do you propose as the priority? In other words, what would be the thing to do? I am dead serious. What is a good solution here? << That says a great deal about the quality of people you surround yourself with. I deal with people as they are and not as I would like them to be. We can pretend its all sunshine and puppies, but I am not sure it is, at all, helpful to the conversation. And that includes that kid in the article. But yeah, I talk with everyone. I do my best not to enclose myself in a bubble. Now that is a recipe for an actual disaster down the line. << "In 2015..some or very little." If I were to counter it, I would simply point out that you are attempting to compare apples to oranges. In other words: "And you wonder why people don't like you." does not equal "respondents wanted more regulation". I want more regulation ( I actively encourage it ), but the broadbrush stroke 'people don't like you' ( you being very open to interpretation so I left it in quotation marks is not exactly supported by the polls you quoted ) does not apply to me. Do you see a problem with this, lets call it, inaccurate language? This is also before we get to the 'value' of those polls ( I was never a part of one and, frankly, don't know anyone who was.. so right of the bat, I am not entirely certain the population captured is representative of.. anything really ) and the source (MJ), which is not exactly a non-partisan player. << Note that the criminal justice system did better in this poll than Silicon Valley. And the group that did the worst was "Corporate America" which just might overlap with some other folks here. I chuckled. It really made me question who had time to answer that poll, because I am sure the demographics would be a fascinating study in this case. << What we have here is a refusal to take responsibility for their own wrong actions, instead pointing the finger at Google, incentives, feigned helplessness, everyone else doing it, and it being "the real world". What wrong actions? You did not offer specifics. It is the real world. People compete with each other for scarce resources just like they did since the beginning of time. Fuck man, be happy that at least there are some rules to that competition. Are there advantages to being rich? Yeah. Is that new? No. We are barely out of the jungle so best you can do is channel our predilections. So I go back to my original question: What is your solution beyond attempting to say 'tech community bad'. edit/addendum: What wrong actions? You did not offer specifics. There is plenty wrong with tech today ( and if you go through my comments, you may even notice a pattern ), but I would like you to offer something beyond generic statements. edit2: I looked at the source data for your second link ( https://tech.co/news/millennials-dont-trust-silicon-valley-2016-09 https://tech.co/news/millennials-dont-trust-silicon-valley-2...; https://eig.org/millennial/ https://eig.org/millennial/ ) and their methodology is below: On behalf of EY and the Economic Innovation Group, Public Opinion Strategies and GBA Strategies conducted a survey of 1,200 18-34 year olds nationwide. Eight hundred and forty respondents were contacted online and 360 were contacted via cell phone. The survey was conducted June 15-20, 2016, and has a margin of error of + 2.83%. Do you see anything there makes your analysis somewhat dated?