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I don't think this is correct at all. You throw in unsourced atrocity propaganda ("starved millions of their own people then imploded") which is like the U.S.
by RedCondor 3y ago
I don't think this is correct at all.
You throw in unsourced atrocity propaganda ("starved millions of their own people then imploded") which is like the U.S. abusing someone then asking them "why they keep punching themselves."
It's worth reading American imperial architects like Washington's "Wise Man" George Kennan in 1948:
>We have about 50% of the world’s wealth but only 6.3% of its population. This disparity is particularly great as between ourselves and the peoples of Asia. In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security. To do so, we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and day-dreaming; and our attention will have to be concentrated everywhere on our immediate national objectives. We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford today the luxury of altruism and world-benefaction.
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1948v01p2/d4 https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1948v01p2/...
Or the "Mallory Memo":
>499. Memorandum From the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs (Mallory) to the Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs (Rubottom) [Washington, April 6, 1960]
SUBJECT: The Decline and Fall of Castro
Salient considerations respecting the life of the present Government of Cuba are:
The majority of Cubans support Castro (the lowest estimate I have seen is 50 percent).
There is no effective political opposition.
Fidel Castro and other members of the Cuban Government espouse or condone communist influence.
Communist influence is pervading the Government and the body politic at an amazingly fast rate.
Militant opposition to Castro from without Cuba would only serve his and the communist cause.
The only foreseeable means of alienating internal support is through disenchantment and disaffection based on economic dissatisfaction and hardship.
If the above are accepted or cannot be successfully countered, it follows that every possible means should be undertaken promptly to weaken the economic life of Cuba. If such a policy is adopted, it should be the result of a positive decision which would call forth a line of action which, while as adroit and inconspicuous as possible, makes the greatest inroads in denying money and supplies to Cuba, to decrease monetary and real wages, to bring about hunger, desperation and overthrow of government.
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1958-60v06/d499 https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1958-60v06...
It's not correct to pretend others just made errors or "had wrong systems" rather than that the U.S. sabotaged any rivals with infinite violence.
- jimbob45 3y agoYou throw in unsourced atrocity propaganda ("starved millions of their own people then imploded") which is like the U.S. abusing someone then asking them "why they keep punching themselves." Told myself I wouldn’t get baited by this thread but I guess Holodomor denial is my weak spot. The Holodomor isn’t “atrocity propaganda”. It was a factual event in history perpetrated purposefully by malicious actors.
- Animatronio 3y agoI think you'll like this wiki entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Commission_of_Inquiry_Into_the_1932%E2%80%931933_Famine_in_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Commission_of_In...
- greedo 3y agoBoth the USSR and China did a wonderful job with killing their own citizens during WW2 and afterwards. Holodomor, The Great Leap Forward, and even worse the Four Pests campaign (I'm a bird lover). The idea that the PRC is some benevolent country striving to break free of the Evil Capitalist Dogs is out of bounds with facts.
- infamouscow 3y agoNation-states have an anarchistic relationship with one another. For any system to be successful it has to recognize there are other nation-states with competing interests. So I find this argument unconvincing. If it wasn't the US, it would be someone else.
- greedo 3y agoKennan's comment is strongly linked to the outcome of WW2. The US was the beneficiary of the war in sheer economic terms. Europe was either destroyed or bankrupt. China was devastated by it's war that predated WW2 with Japan, and then faced a civil war. The USSR was devastated as well, and had put almost all its resources into its military. It's important to recognize the roots of the US's dominance post war.
- TulliusCicero 3y ago