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I think the fact flipper is designed to do things such as read/emulate NFC cards may make it different to selling the raw dev-board. i.e. Selling air-duster to

by Closi 4y ago

I think the fact flipper is designed to do things such as read/emulate NFC cards may make it different to selling the raw dev-board. i.e. Selling air-duster to dust things is different to selling air-duster to get high, even if it's the same product you are selling.

qbasic_forever 4y ago
NFC dev boards are just as ubiquitous, they're even on your phone. An Android phone with NFC can read and write NFC cards right now too. The root problem here is sloppy security through obscurity practices. If you use proper security like RSA certificates on NFC cards then there is no way a simple clone and replay attack (like a flipper or Android phone with NFC can do) will work, it is 100% impossible without breaking RSA encryption (which would be a lifetime achievement/Nobel prize worthy feat).
- Closi 4y ago
  Yes, they are ubiquitous, but I guess my point is that if you market a product for a specific use-case that sellers don't want to associate with then you will probably get that your listing removed (i.e. if I have a hammer and advertise it for DIY I will be fine for Amazon, but if I sell that same hammer but call it "Murder Hammer - Best Hammer For Personal Protection!" I will have that product removed even if hammers are ubiquitous and in every toolbox. Same item different product). As Flipper Zero is marketed as a 'hacking tool', discusses use-cases as cloning cards and acting as a 'bad USB' device, has a indie go-go page that implies that you could use it to break into car parks, I'm not entirely surprised that Amazon wouldn't want to stock it. This doesn't mean I don't think it's a great product - I want one and I'm glad it exists. I'm just also not entirely sure I would want to sell it if I was a global retailer.
brutusurp 4y ago
So, Proxmark3: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=proxmark3+rdv4&crid=8NFHBEDKSLEF&sprefix=%2Caps%2C128&ref=nb_sb_ss_recent_1_0_recent https://www.amazon.com/s?k=proxmark3+rdv4&crid=8NFHBEDKSLEF&...?
- Closi 4y ago
  Yes, looks like that would also not be allowed under this policy so wouldn't be suprised if Amazon removed that too. It's probably just not been flagged to them yet.

by Closi 4y ago

qbasic_forever 4y ago

NFC dev boards are just as ubiquitous, they're even on your phone. An Android phone with NFC can read and write NFC cards right now too. The root problem here is sloppy security through obscurity practices. If you use proper security like RSA certificates on NFC cards then there is no way a simple clone and replay attack (like a flipper or Android phone with NFC can do) will work, it is 100% impossible without breaking RSA encryption (which would be a lifetime achievement/Nobel prize worthy feat).

Closi 4y ago
Yes, they are ubiquitous, but I guess my point is that if you market a product for a specific use-case that sellers don't want to associate with then you will probably get that your listing removed (i.e. if I have a hammer and advertise it for DIY I will be fine for Amazon, but if I sell that same hammer but call it "Murder Hammer - Best Hammer For Personal Protection!" I will have that product removed even if hammers are ubiquitous and in every toolbox. Same item different product). As Flipper Zero is marketed as a 'hacking tool', discusses use-cases as cloning cards and acting as a 'bad USB' device, has a indie go-go page that implies that you could use it to break into car parks, I'm not entirely surprised that Amazon wouldn't want to stock it. This doesn't mean I don't think it's a great product - I want one and I'm glad it exists. I'm just also not entirely sure I would want to sell it if I was a global retailer.

brutusurp 4y ago

So, Proxmark3: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=proxmark3+rdv4&crid=8NFHBEDKSLEF&sprefix=%2Caps%2C128&ref=nb_sb_ss_recent_1_0_recent https://www.amazon.com/s?k=proxmark3+rdv4&crid=8NFHBEDKSLEF&...?

Closi 4y ago
Yes, looks like that would also not be allowed under this policy so wouldn't be suprised if Amazon removed that too. It's probably just not been flagged to them yet.