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This ban makes no sense when at the same time Amazon sells USB magnetic stripe card readers: https://www.amazon.com/MSR90-Magnetic-Credit-Reader-Deftun/dp/B01D

This ban makes no sense when at the same time Amazon sells USB magnetic stripe card readers: https://www.amazon.com/MSR90-Magnetic-Credit-Reader-Deftun/dp/B01DUB4GVO https://www.amazon.com/MSR90-Magnetic-Credit-Reader-Deftun/d... Owning one of these or a Flipper Zero doesn’t make you a criminal.

Cthulhu_ 4y ago
Amazon isn't saying that either, it just doesn't want to be associated with it, just like how you can't buy guns at Amazon... I... assume... wait, can you buy guns via Amazon in the US?
- anon_fren 4y ago
  Legally they could, but that be too American for a chinese BLM company to do.
- bombcar 4y ago
  Interstate firearm sales have billions of laws that Amazon doesn't want to get involved in. You can't buy guns from Amazon. You can buy gun-related items like magazines and such, and there are some things like knives that say "cannot be shipped to New York" and similar. There are some air rifles that could incapacitate small animals: https://www.amazon.com/Benjamin-Bulldog-Sportsmans-Pack-Rifle/dp/B0196RQ1B4 https://www.amazon.com/Benjamin-Bulldog-Sportsmans-Pack-Rifl... (3000 psi!)
  - stametseater 4y ago
    > You can buy gun-related items like magazines and such Magazines are banned. Some other accessories are permitted, like holsters, night vision scopes, devices to reload magazines except for those designed to reload magazines for these specific rifle cartriges: .223/5.56, 7.62x51, 308, 7.62x39, 5.45x39. Ejection port covers are banned, but butt plates are not. You can read these arcane rules here: https://sellercentral.amazon.com/help/hub/reference/external/G200164950 https://sellercentral.amazon.com/help/hub/reference/external... Incidentally this is the rule set under which flipper was apparently banned: https://sellercentral.amazon.com/help/hub/reference/external/G200164850 https://sellercentral.amazon.com/help/hub/reference/external... Bans: Lockpicking devices, Devices designed to duplicate a key, Shoplifting devices, Card skimming devices, Code grabbing devices, Master keys or skeleton keys.
    - bombcar 4y ago
      Magazines keep showing up in search in the marketplace, apparently because bb-gun and airsoft magazines are allowed and it's hard to tell which are which.
  - everforward 4y ago
    Those air rifles can do more than that. In the .457 build, the marketing says the muzzle energy can reach 450 ft-lbs. Non +P 9mm has ~350 ft-lbs of muzzle energy. Even the overpressured 9mm rounds are only slightly higher than the .457. I'm pretty sure one of those could kill a human.
    - xxpor 4y ago
      This has me curious what muzzle energy is actually measuring. ft-lbs is usually a unit of torque, but I don't think there's any rotation in a relevant direction here?
      - bombcar 4y ago
        See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot-pound_(energy) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot-pound_(energy) - it's both a possible torque measurement and a energy measurement. Just like miles per hour can be a speed or a battery recharging measurement.
        xxpor 4y ago
        Ah, linear displacement, of course. Customary units, bleh :) I'm incredibly glad there was no metric/customary split in electricity.
        bombcar 4y ago
        Every vacuum/most electric motors being rated in horsepower rears its head ;)
Shank 4y ago
I actually owned a couple of these to reprogram cards at university. One of them came with a piece of paper that had a link to an app that made it possible to bulk collect cards when read! It was just a random piece of paper in the box, with absolutely no instructions and it was just some random URL to an exe. How is that not a card skimmer?
- casefields 4y ago
  If stuff like this or Alibaba existed when I was a kid I would've gotten myself in so much trouble messing around.
brutusurp 4y ago
Agree. Will Amazon stop carrying Raspberry Pi's and Arduino's too?

Cthulhu_ 4y ago

Amazon isn't saying that either, it just doesn't want to be associated with it, just like how you can't buy guns at Amazon... I... assume... wait, can you buy guns via Amazon in the US?

anon_fren 4y ago
Legally they could, but that be too American for a chinese BLM company to do.
bombcar 4y ago
Interstate firearm sales have billions of laws that Amazon doesn't want to get involved in. You can't buy guns from Amazon. You can buy gun-related items like magazines and such, and there are some things like knives that say "cannot be shipped to New York" and similar. There are some air rifles that could incapacitate small animals: https://www.amazon.com/Benjamin-Bulldog-Sportsmans-Pack-Rifle/dp/B0196RQ1B4 https://www.amazon.com/Benjamin-Bulldog-Sportsmans-Pack-Rifl... (3000 psi!)
- stametseater 4y ago
  > You can buy gun-related items like magazines and such Magazines are banned. Some other accessories are permitted, like holsters, night vision scopes, devices to reload magazines except for those designed to reload magazines for these specific rifle cartriges: .223/5.56, 7.62x51, 308, 7.62x39, 5.45x39. Ejection port covers are banned, but butt plates are not. You can read these arcane rules here: https://sellercentral.amazon.com/help/hub/reference/external/G200164950 https://sellercentral.amazon.com/help/hub/reference/external... Incidentally this is the rule set under which flipper was apparently banned: https://sellercentral.amazon.com/help/hub/reference/external/G200164850 https://sellercentral.amazon.com/help/hub/reference/external... Bans: Lockpicking devices, Devices designed to duplicate a key, Shoplifting devices, Card skimming devices, Code grabbing devices, Master keys or skeleton keys.
  - bombcar 4y ago
    Magazines keep showing up in search in the marketplace, apparently because bb-gun and airsoft magazines are allowed and it's hard to tell which are which.
- everforward 4y ago
  Those air rifles can do more than that. In the .457 build, the marketing says the muzzle energy can reach 450 ft-lbs. Non +P 9mm has ~350 ft-lbs of muzzle energy. Even the overpressured 9mm rounds are only slightly higher than the .457. I'm pretty sure one of those could kill a human.
  - xxpor 4y ago
    This has me curious what muzzle energy is actually measuring. ft-lbs is usually a unit of torque, but I don't think there's any rotation in a relevant direction here?
    - bombcar 4y ago
      See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot-pound_(energy) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot-pound_(energy) - it's both a possible torque measurement and a energy measurement. Just like miles per hour can be a speed or a battery recharging measurement.
      - xxpor 4y ago
        Ah, linear displacement, of course. Customary units, bleh :) I'm incredibly glad there was no metric/customary split in electricity.
        bombcar 4y ago
        Every vacuum/most electric motors being rated in horsepower rears its head ;)

Shank 4y ago

I actually owned a couple of these to reprogram cards at university. One of them came with a piece of paper that had a link to an app that made it possible to bulk collect cards when read! It was just a random piece of paper in the box, with absolutely no instructions and it was just some random URL to an exe. How is that not a card skimmer?

casefields 4y ago
If stuff like this or Alibaba existed when I was a kid I would've gotten myself in so much trouble messing around.

brutusurp 4y ago

Agree. Will Amazon stop carrying Raspberry Pi's and Arduino's too?