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They are selling everyone's code through copilot

• hk__2 4y ago
  Copilot is trained on publicly available code.
  • zemo 4y ago
    Are they crawling the internet looking for all the publicly available code that exists or are they just training their model on the code that people upload directly to their servers?
  • vorpalhex 4y ago
    Publically available doesn't mean you can use it for your model. Licenses still exist.
  • whatyesaid 4y ago
    It's publicly available code that comes with licenses on how you can use that code that they ignore, such as share alike but they're charging. That's an ethical issue. In the early days (months after public release not beta), it would literally give you code stolen from someone's repo, sometimes with credentials (security risk) and project specific stuff. That means because you took code verbatim to the naked eye you would be held liable for license violation.
  • xigoi 4y ago
    But it doesn't respect the code's license.
  • maxloh 4y ago
    "Publicly available" is different from "licensed under a FOSS license". Anyone other than the original author doesn't have the right to distribute, modify or even execute the code. Even if the code is licensed under an open source license, in most cases it requires users to attribute the original author, while in some cases derivative work must be licensed under the same license too. GitHub Copilot use the code without honoring these obligations.
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    • c-hendricks 4y ago
      > distribute Does moving code between a company's data centres count as distribution? Heck doesn't merely hosting the files count as distribution?
      • hk__2 4y ago
        No, but Copilot can be considered a form of distribution.
      • juunpp 4y ago
        "Distribute" means distribution to an end user.
    • bastardoperator 4y ago
      You grant GitHub a license to display your code, same for Codeberg, they're not bound by your license because you're granting them specific rights. Secondly can you prove damages when a person uses your code but doesn't attribute you? If you can't your license isn't very useful. This is what we all need to understand.
      • xigoi 4y ago
        Displaying the code is different from selling it. GitHub's license explicitly says that it doesn't allow them to sell your code.
      • maxloh 4y ago
        How about mirrors? GitHub doesn't pohobit mirroring repos/developing a fork from someone else's codebases. The original author didn't grant GitHub a license to use their code, but their code may be used for training the model.
• flanked-evergl 4y ago
  If the code is publicly available on Codeberg, won't GitHub just go take it from there and then sell it through copilot?
  • juunpp 4y ago
    Not a lawyer, but there is an existing lawsuit against CoPilot, and Github might have some leverage from the fact that the code is hosted there (I have not read their TOS). Scraping code from a different provider and spitting verbatim copies of it stripped of a license seems like next level fuckery to me. Fucking people is Microsoft's DNA, though, so I'm sure they've already done that. https://githubcopilotlitigation.com/ https://githubcopilotlitigation.com/