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This is just going backwards. There's far more to using Emacs than simply firing it up - the software is arcane, hasn't been updated* in a long time, and could

This is just going backwards. There's far more to using Emacs than simply firing it up - the software is arcane, hasn't been updated* in a long time, and could really use a modern re-imagining. In contrast, Jupyter can be installed and used almost immediately by almost everyone. Reading the article again; it's clear that it's written in a style that only another Emac users can understand. Anyone new to Emacs hoping to do this will be turned away. I've had a 1-year stint with Emacs and it wasn't really all that pleasant. *I understand it's under still active development, but it is not receiving any modern UI improvements - and a good chunk of it is still single-threaded. Elisp also holds it back, and time spent "learning" Emacs is best spent advancing things that are more relevant.

subjectsigma 4y ago
“I didn’t like Emacs personally so anyone using it is holding back progress”
- KyeRussell 4y ago
  “I like emacs and I’m blind to its objectively archaic UX paradigms”.
  - burakbayramli 4y ago
    "I never liked Emacs I don't see the point of quick key combinations when minute-long mouse clicks could get you the same thing and look visually awesome like a bright shiny object looks to a fish"
  - jabradoodle 4y ago
    I use emacs for it's UX. If you don't like it, use something else.
- smabie 4y ago
  To provide another perspective, I used Emacs for over a decade before switching to jetbrains products and couldn't be happier. Everything just works so much better. Emacs is so slow, constantly broken, and filled with a community of people who blind to it's problems. That said, I still use it for org mode, calc, and editing random text files and for that it works well.
slavapestov 4y ago
> and could really use a modern re-imagining. Just not with Electron, please.
- rgoulter 4y ago
  As I see it, VSCode takes a bunch of inspiration from a well set up Emacs. Obviously, VSCode isn't as extensible as Emacs is; and isn't free-as-in-freedom. (And a few people understand 'emacs' to mean its non-modal keybindings that readline / macOS adopt, like C-a and C-e). VSCode's command palette (which includes the keyboard shortcuts) reminds me of a nice Emacs M-x menu. As is its tight integration with developer-environment tools while still remaining lighter weight than a more typical IDE. -- e.g. its git editor, its terminal and console output, and a repository of plugins/extensions.
  - comfypotato 4y ago
    Worth noting here that the command palate is almost directly from sublime. (It’s predecessor may have been Emacs, or text mate, I’m not sure.)
yakubin 4y ago
I agree about Elisp and single-threadedness, but disagree about the UI. It’s the best UI I’ve ever used. I wish others apps used Emacs UI concepts.
eigenspace 4y ago
What? I don't think you at all understand what you're talking about.
jabradoodle 4y ago
It's not a commerical product, it isn't being held back, it is being used and contributed to by those who like it. There are alternatives with more user share, that is not a problem.

subjectsigma 4y ago

“I didn’t like Emacs personally so anyone using it is holding back progress”

KyeRussell 4y ago
“I like emacs and I’m blind to its objectively archaic UX paradigms”.
- burakbayramli 4y ago
  "I never liked Emacs I don't see the point of quick key combinations when minute-long mouse clicks could get you the same thing and look visually awesome like a bright shiny object looks to a fish"
- jabradoodle 4y ago
  I use emacs for it's UX. If you don't like it, use something else.
smabie 4y ago
To provide another perspective, I used Emacs for over a decade before switching to jetbrains products and couldn't be happier. Everything just works so much better. Emacs is so slow, constantly broken, and filled with a community of people who blind to it's problems. That said, I still use it for org mode, calc, and editing random text files and for that it works well.

slavapestov 4y ago

> and could really use a modern re-imagining. Just not with Electron, please.

rgoulter 4y ago
As I see it, VSCode takes a bunch of inspiration from a well set up Emacs. Obviously, VSCode isn't as extensible as Emacs is; and isn't free-as-in-freedom. (And a few people understand 'emacs' to mean its non-modal keybindings that readline / macOS adopt, like C-a and C-e). VSCode's command palette (which includes the keyboard shortcuts) reminds me of a nice Emacs M-x menu. As is its tight integration with developer-environment tools while still remaining lighter weight than a more typical IDE. -- e.g. its git editor, its terminal and console output, and a repository of plugins/extensions.
- comfypotato 4y ago
  Worth noting here that the command palate is almost directly from sublime. (It’s predecessor may have been Emacs, or text mate, I’m not sure.)

yakubin 4y ago

I agree about Elisp and single-threadedness, but disagree about the UI. It’s the best UI I’ve ever used. I wish others apps used Emacs UI concepts.

eigenspace 4y ago

What? I don't think you at all understand what you're talking about.

jabradoodle 4y ago

It's not a commerical product, it isn't being held back, it is being used and contributed to by those who like it. There are alternatives with more user share, that is not a problem.