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> No tracking. Your data is not for sale. Of course, Codeberg is not saying GitHub sells your data, but it seems to imply someone is selling your data if you d
by flanked-evergl 4y ago
> No tracking. Your data is not for sale.
Of course, Codeberg is not saying GitHub sells your data, but it seems to imply someone is selling your data if you don't use Codeberg and instead use other services. Is there any backing for this? Who sells your data if you use GitHub that won't sell your data when you use Codeberg?
- mikojan 4y agohttps://github.com/features/copilot#pricing https://github.com/features/copilot#pricing
- jeppester 4y agoThey are selling everyone's code through copilot
- hk__2 4y agoCopilot is trained on publicly available code.
- zemo 4y agoAre they crawling the internet looking for all the publicly available code that exists or are they just training their model on the code that people upload directly to their servers?
- vorpalhex 4y agoPublically available doesn't mean you can use it for your model. Licenses still exist.
- whatyesaid 4y agoIt's publicly available code that comes with licenses on how you can use that code that they ignore, such as share alike but they're charging. That's an ethical issue. In the early days (months after public release not beta), it would literally give you code stolen from someone's repo, sometimes with credentials (security risk) and project specific stuff. That means because you took code verbatim to the naked eye you would be held liable for license violation.
- xigoi 4y agoBut it doesn't respect the code's license.
- maxloh 4y ago"Publicly available" is different from "licensed under a FOSS license". Anyone other than the original author doesn't have the right to distribute, modify or even execute the code. Even if the code is licensed under an open source license, in most cases it requires users to attribute the original author, while in some cases derivative work must be licensed under the same license too. GitHub Copilot use the code without honoring these obligations.
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- c-hendricks 4y ago> distribute Does moving code between a company's data centres count as distribution? Heck doesn't merely hosting the files count as distribution?
- bastardoperator 4y agoYou grant GitHub a license to display your code, same for Codeberg, they're not bound by your license because you're granting them specific rights. Secondly can you prove damages when a person uses your code but doesn't attribute you? If you can't your license isn't very useful. This is what we all need to understand.
- xigoi 4y agoDisplaying the code is different from selling it. GitHub's license explicitly says that it doesn't allow them to sell your code.
- flanked-evergl 4y agoIf the code is publicly available on Codeberg, won't GitHub just go take it from there and then sell it through copilot?
- juunpp 4y agoNot a lawyer, but there is an existing lawsuit against CoPilot, and Github might have some leverage from the fact that the code is hosted there (I have not read their TOS). Scraping code from a different provider and spitting verbatim copies of it stripped of a license seems like next level fuckery to me. Fucking people is Microsoft's DNA, though, so I'm sure they've already done that. https://githubcopilotlitigation.com/ https://githubcopilotlitigation.com/
- tannhaeuser 4y agoNo tracking is a major point for Codeberg; doesn't matter whether data is sold or not in times of FAANG - Google doesn't sell your data either but uses it to sell ads placement. Can't understand zealots pontificating about F/OSS, then turning to github to sell their user's clicks and eyeballs, and also give away very detailed sensor data (such as fixes in response to issues) for Copilot and future ChatGPT-based coding bots.
- physPop 4y agoMy new breakfast cereal is different, it contains zero rusty nails!