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> People worked hard in the past And maybe that has something to do with making more money and being able to afford more things? Slightly exaggerated, but fro

> People worked hard in the past And maybe that has something to do with making more money and being able to afford more things? Slightly exaggerated, but from surveys in Germany, I gather that young people want to retire at 60, work part time, have at least 30 days of vacation per year, earn enough to afford "a good life" (large flat, vacations, parties), and do something interesting at work that "vibes" with them. Those don't mix well for most people and jobs, because few people get paid well to do their hobbies part-time. And how could they? They'll spend 20-25 years until they start working, then spend 35-40 years working (with a sabbatical or two thrown in), then they'll spend another 30 years retired (life expectancy is rising). And maybe there's also a social contagion. Individually, people might come to a different conclusion, but if a large number of their peers rejects the opportunities, there's a good chance they'll let that affect their judgement.

candiodari 4y ago
Not really. The people who worked the hardest got nothing. My grandfather worked ~20 years in mines. That was very hard work. He got nothing for it. The house he had to turn in (wasn't his) when the war (WW2) broke out. He had 5 kids (which was not a particularly high number). He managed to make it work by making wood furniture (mostly windows and window related stuff). He didn't make much from that either, but more than in the mine. He claims it was MUCH less intense work. After the war, he got a job as a police officer. He did essentially nothing for another ~45 years (yes, he worked from 11 to 67 I believe). He's not rich but on that wage he eventually got 13 kids total (Christmas parties no longer fit in their house once half his kids got married), put 3 through university, and all of them through higher education. We don't pay for hard work. Not back then. Not now. Plumber still makes a lot less than software engineer, and software engineer is not hard work.

candiodari 4y ago

Not really. The people who worked the hardest got nothing. My grandfather worked ~20 years in mines. That was very hard work. He got nothing for it. The house he had to turn in (wasn't his) when the war (WW2) broke out. He had 5 kids (which was not a particularly high number). He managed to make it work by making wood furniture (mostly windows and window related stuff). He didn't make much from that either, but more than in the mine. He claims it was MUCH less intense work. After the war, he got a job as a police officer. He did essentially nothing for another ~45 years (yes, he worked from 11 to 67 I believe). He's not rich but on that wage he eventually got 13 kids total (Christmas parties no longer fit in their house once half his kids got married), put 3 through university, and all of them through higher education. We don't pay for hard work. Not back then. Not now. Plumber still makes a lot less than software engineer, and software engineer is not hard work.