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If you cherry pick to push and agenda, sure you can do that. You can do the opposite too, for example Poland, which is a country in EU, overtook the US to becom
by mrtksn 4y ago
If you cherry pick to push and agenda, sure you can do that. You can do the opposite too, for example Poland, which is a country in EU, overtook the US to become world's 2nd largest Li-Ion battery manufacturer.
https://notesfrompoland.com/2023/04/06/poland-overtakes-us-to-have-worlds-second-largest-lithium-ion-battery-production-capacity/ https://notesfrompoland.com/2023/04/06/poland-overtakes-us-t...
Industry changes over time depending on the the conditions. Europeans are not fond with an aggressive gas station on their footstep, cut back on buying stuff from it and obviously see the negative impact from buying from a gas station further away. They also live less comfortably but it's far from doom and gloom, which many suspect might follow if that gas station expand its power.
Everybody knows its not ideal to spend more and everyone knows its not fun to consume less. Sometimes, you have no choice unless you are nihilistic.
- roenxi 4y ago"They are, however, well behind China, which has 77% of global capacity." says the article. So Poland is ahead of the US in a market that the US doesn't attempt to compete in. The US really isn't the country to beat for manufacturing, we're a fair way in to the 21st century by now.
- mrtksn 4y agoThat's a completely different topic, called de-industrialization. What I'm trying to make argument about is the OPs claim that EU industry is failing(because choose not to play by Russian wishes) and all the factories are moving to US and soon EU will be selling nothing more than museum tickets.
- roenxi 4y agoEU: <15% of Li-ion batteries. China: 75% of the same. Now I know China is well known for their green credentials and the EU have been underinvesting in Green technology by policy... of wait, no it is the opposite of both those things. That is what failed EU industry looks like. The EU has been trying to set themselves up with batteries for a decade now and China is 5x-ing them by just knuckling down and producing stuff without worrying about political correctness. The fact that the first market you thought of was one where the EU has been drubbed so badly should be a concern to everyone. Except maybe China.
- mrtksn 4y agoI have no idea what the argument here is so will contribute no further.
- ranguna 4y agoAh yes, the classical change of the goal post and ignoring the core of the argument, nice work.
- roenxi 4y agoI didn't set the first goalpost, I'm just pointing out that the EU was defeated before it began. The industry can't leave, it barely exists. Although whatever they have in the Li-ion space must be tougher than a tardigrade to even get 10% market share against far-superior Chinese manufacturing capability. Who knows, maybe we'll even get to see it growing through a nuclear winter at the rate the EU is going.
- freehorse 4y agoMaybe we are not supposed to say much against the US in this forum?
- freehorse 4y agoWhat you do is cherry-picking. Energy is universal confound across industry, more expensive energy implies loss across all industry, even if local variation due to different factors shows that some industries do fine.
- rvba 4y agoPoland had a shortage of carbonated drinks for some time, because the main plants that provided CO2 (as a byproduct of manufacturing nitrogen fertilizer) shut down. You couldnt buy artificially carbonated water for some time. Naturally carbonated water and cola (different suppliers?) was available.