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Can you give us a few examples of actual policies where you believe saying they were designed by the US and benefit the US is suitable? Asking as a fellow Euro

Can you give us a few examples of actual policies where you believe saying they were designed by the US and benefit the US is suitable? Asking as a fellow European (HU)

argentier 4y ago
Technology sanctions on China (for example, ASML in the Netherlands). Sanctions on Russian energy. Basically Germany's entire foreign policy is economic suicide and very much driven by a US stooge (Baerbock). The total penetration of the German Green Party (formerly pacifist) is an excellent example of American influence.
- adriancr 4y ago
  Technology sanctions on China are from US. Since ASML is using US tech for EUV they need to comply. These also make sense give China is building up its military using this and if they invade taiwan or other neighbors we'd be forced to fight them. Sanctions on Russian energy are a response to invasion. Apart from moral reasons, they also are meant to cripple russia so we don't have to fight them later in the baltics, in poland or romania. So it's pretty much EU self interest here.
  - ExoticPearTree 4y ago
    > Sanctions on Russian energy are a response to invasion. I might get downvoted for this, but the duty of every head of state is to ensure its country's economic and citizens well being is above anything else. And what the EU as a whole did was exactly the opposite with the sanctions. And no, no one would have had to fight anywhere else in Europe.
    - adriancr 4y ago
      They are ensuring their countries well being. They are doing that by ensuring future conflict is much more unlikely. If these measures were done earlier perhaps russia would not have started current invasion and we'd be much better off. So perhaps politicians failed by being compliant up to now. Try telling the baltics, poland, romania that they should not fear russia and continue trading... Same countries russia constantly threatens and are part of EU and NATO. Imagine germany's position if Poland is conquered by russia. > And no, no one would have had to fight anywhere else in Europe. That's a bold statement considering russia's posturing, threats, history and leaked initial plans.
    - arrrg 4y ago
      Germany in particular has been handling this crisis extremely well, showing itself to be much more adaptable than many feared. I’m very proud of that and I think cutting dependency on Russian gas – while we might not have necessarily wished for it to go this fast – is just plain good policy, making Germany more resilient in the future. Obviously there have been some short term bad consequences, that‘s pretty much unavoidable with any such drastic shift. But consequences have been far from catastrophic or existential for us. Germans and Europeans are going through some times that are a bit tougher – the people suffering, however, are in Ukraine. I see Germany and Europe coming out of this more resilient and safer, especially if we make sure Putin cannot win this war.
    - the_why_of_y 4y ago
      Watch this clip from Russian state TV (broadcast in 2021) discussing a potential invasion of several EU countries. https://www.reddit.com/r/latvia/comments/tdct34/russian_military_expert_korotchenko_discusses_a/ https://www.reddit.com/r/latvia/comments/tdct34/russian_mili... This article says the speaker is "Colonel Igor Korotchenko, formerly of the Russian General Staff and air force and currently a reserve officer". https://www.thesun.ie/news/8513264/russian-state-tv-discusses-invasion-seizing-baltic-states/ https://www.thesun.ie/news/8513264/russian-state-tv-discusse...
beebeepka 4y ago
Look no further than Ukraine. Was Europe as eager to sabotage itself when the US invaded two fucking countries based on idiotic lies? No, almost everyone had to help the invasions in one way or another. We actively helped the bad guys. This time we're tripping over ourselves to to make life harder for the Russians no matter the cost, seemingly lacking any self awareness. Europe desperately needs its own army.
- modo_mario 4y ago
  When it comes to Ukraine I think EU and US interests mostly align for one and it highlights the lack of actual coherence. (We could have had group buys for gas long ago rather than letting Russia do price diplomacy) I agree tho. Beyond that we've been pretty much a lapdog.
  - beebeepka 4y ago
    > We could have had group buys for gas long ago rather than letting Russia do price diplomacy Ha! Do you not remember the Time making Putin a person of the year? They encouraged it back in 2009
    - Eisenstein 4y ago
      What does a shitty weekly magazine have to do with it?
      - beebeepka 4y ago
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zpeti 4y ago
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- RandomLensman 4y ago
  I am sorry, but that is straight up from the Russian propaganda talking point list.
  - cloutchaser 4y ago
    How is saying the US (who spend more than the rest of the world combined on defense) should destroy Russia - Russian propaganda?
    - KptMarchewa 4y ago
      By actually pushing idea that everything is "great powers" game and no one else has any agency. Russians desperately want to present the idea that they truly fight powerful US and NATO and still pushing; and not getting kicked ass by Ukraine getting 5% of US defense budget.
  - medo-bear 4y ago
    i was just about to post a reply telling the parent poster that his mind is being controlled by putin. and here you beat me to it ... except ur serious :(
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- Eisenstein 4y ago
  What do you think the US could have done to convince Putin not to invade? Do you believe that enabling the Russians in preventing countries around them from becoming more aligned with the EU would benefit Europe? Do you think the US is the only NATO country?
  - medo-bear 4y ago

Can you give us a few examples of actual policies where you believe saying they were designed by the US and benefit the US is suitable? Asking as a fellow European (HU)

argentier 4y ago

Technology sanctions on China (for example, ASML in the Netherlands). Sanctions on Russian energy. Basically Germany's entire foreign policy is economic suicide and very much driven by a US stooge (Baerbock). The total penetration of the German Green Party (formerly pacifist) is an excellent example of American influence.

adriancr 4y ago
Technology sanctions on China are from US. Since ASML is using US tech for EUV they need to comply. These also make sense give China is building up its military using this and if they invade taiwan or other neighbors we'd be forced to fight them. Sanctions on Russian energy are a response to invasion. Apart from moral reasons, they also are meant to cripple russia so we don't have to fight them later in the baltics, in poland or romania. So it's pretty much EU self interest here.
- ExoticPearTree 4y ago
  > Sanctions on Russian energy are a response to invasion. I might get downvoted for this, but the duty of every head of state is to ensure its country's economic and citizens well being is above anything else. And what the EU as a whole did was exactly the opposite with the sanctions. And no, no one would have had to fight anywhere else in Europe.
  - adriancr 4y ago
    They are ensuring their countries well being. They are doing that by ensuring future conflict is much more unlikely. If these measures were done earlier perhaps russia would not have started current invasion and we'd be much better off. So perhaps politicians failed by being compliant up to now. Try telling the baltics, poland, romania that they should not fear russia and continue trading... Same countries russia constantly threatens and are part of EU and NATO. Imagine germany's position if Poland is conquered by russia. > And no, no one would have had to fight anywhere else in Europe. That's a bold statement considering russia's posturing, threats, history and leaked initial plans.
  - arrrg 4y ago
    Germany in particular has been handling this crisis extremely well, showing itself to be much more adaptable than many feared. I’m very proud of that and I think cutting dependency on Russian gas – while we might not have necessarily wished for it to go this fast – is just plain good policy, making Germany more resilient in the future. Obviously there have been some short term bad consequences, that‘s pretty much unavoidable with any such drastic shift. But consequences have been far from catastrophic or existential for us. Germans and Europeans are going through some times that are a bit tougher – the people suffering, however, are in Ukraine. I see Germany and Europe coming out of this more resilient and safer, especially if we make sure Putin cannot win this war.
  - the_why_of_y 4y ago
    Watch this clip from Russian state TV (broadcast in 2021) discussing a potential invasion of several EU countries. https://www.reddit.com/r/latvia/comments/tdct34/russian_military_expert_korotchenko_discusses_a/ https://www.reddit.com/r/latvia/comments/tdct34/russian_mili... This article says the speaker is "Colonel Igor Korotchenko, formerly of the Russian General Staff and air force and currently a reserve officer". https://www.thesun.ie/news/8513264/russian-state-tv-discusses-invasion-seizing-baltic-states/ https://www.thesun.ie/news/8513264/russian-state-tv-discusse...

beebeepka 4y ago

Look no further than Ukraine. Was Europe as eager to sabotage itself when the US invaded two fucking countries based on idiotic lies? No, almost everyone had to help the invasions in one way or another. We actively helped the bad guys. This time we're tripping over ourselves to to make life harder for the Russians no matter the cost, seemingly lacking any self awareness. Europe desperately needs its own army.

modo_mario 4y ago
When it comes to Ukraine I think EU and US interests mostly align for one and it highlights the lack of actual coherence. (We could have had group buys for gas long ago rather than letting Russia do price diplomacy) I agree tho. Beyond that we've been pretty much a lapdog.
- beebeepka 4y ago
  > We could have had group buys for gas long ago rather than letting Russia do price diplomacy Ha! Do you not remember the Time making Putin a person of the year? They encouraged it back in 2009
  - Eisenstein 4y ago
    What does a shitty weekly magazine have to do with it?
    - beebeepka 4y ago
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zpeti 4y ago

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RandomLensman 4y ago
I am sorry, but that is straight up from the Russian propaganda talking point list.
- cloutchaser 4y ago
  How is saying the US (who spend more than the rest of the world combined on defense) should destroy Russia - Russian propaganda?
  - KptMarchewa 4y ago
    By actually pushing idea that everything is "great powers" game and no one else has any agency. Russians desperately want to present the idea that they truly fight powerful US and NATO and still pushing; and not getting kicked ass by Ukraine getting 5% of US defense budget.
- medo-bear 4y ago
  i was just about to post a reply telling the parent poster that his mind is being controlled by putin. and here you beat me to it ... except ur serious :(
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Eisenstein 4y ago
What do you think the US could have done to convince Putin not to invade? Do you believe that enabling the Russians in preventing countries around them from becoming more aligned with the EU would benefit Europe? Do you think the US is the only NATO country?
- medo-bear 4y ago