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In France, one glassmaker stopped production: https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/french-glassmaker-duralex-stops-production-over-brutal-crazy-energy-costs https://

In France, one glassmaker stopped production: https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/french-glassmaker-duralex-stops-production-over-brutal-crazy-energy-costs https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/french-glassmaker-duralex-st... Another manufacturer of food-related products closed, too: https://www.europe1.fr/economie/le-groupe-cofigeo-william-saurin-garbit-raynal-va-arreter-80-de-sa-production-en-2023-4152817 https://www.europe1.fr/economie/le-groupe-cofigeo-william-sa... A quick search brings up others, but in French.

asimpletune 4y ago
It says they stopped for four months, not permanently and definitely didn’t move to the USA
- vladvasiliu 4y ago
  "Four months" means the winter, right? So, it must have helped with "lowering winter consumption". Fair point about moving to the US, though. --- Edit regarding the US specifically (unfortunately, French only): Here's Safran suspending a factory project near Lyon and increasing production in the US and Malaysia: https://www.lesechos.fr/industrie-services/air-defense/safran-met-sur-pause-son-projet-dusine-a-lyon-a-cause-du-cout-de-lenergie-1873981 https://www.lesechos.fr/industrie-services/air-defense/safra... Also, BASF announcing a "cost-cutting" plan in Europe and increasing production in the US: https://www.europe1.fr/economie/prix-de-lenergie-delocalisations-comment-les-etats-unis-menacent-lindustrie-europeenne-4151114 https://www.europe1.fr/economie/prix-de-lenergie-delocalisat...
  - KptMarchewa 4y ago
    Highest gas prices were in August, not winter.
    - vladvasiliu 4y ago
      That's correct, but the TFA is about how Europe cut energy consumption this winter. I think the reason is twofold: 1. Industries can probably not afford to cut production immediately 2. At least in France, there were worries about gas availability for the winter. The government tried to have industries lower their consumption to not run out of the reserves during the winter.
MoSattler 4y ago
that's anecdotal at best, not data. Finding links on the internet is not enough to identify a trend.
- vladvasiliu 4y ago
  The French national gas distribution company was talking about a significant reduction in industry consumption of 23% compared to 2018-2019 (to exclude covid), even when adjusted for weather. https://www.grtgaz.com/en/en/our-actions/continuity-of-gas-transmission/gas-consumption-overview-in-france https://www.grtgaz.com/en/en/our-actions/continuity-of-gas-t... I haven't found a similar source for electricity, though articles I've seen talk of reductions, too.
  - SiempreViernes 4y ago
    Well, the government asked them to consume less so some reduction is expected. The part of the claim you have taken upon yourself to substantiate is that the reduction is mainly (or even mostly) due to industry getting closed down completely or relocated specifically to the US.

asimpletune 4y ago

It says they stopped for four months, not permanently and definitely didn’t move to the USA

vladvasiliu 4y ago
"Four months" means the winter, right? So, it must have helped with "lowering winter consumption". Fair point about moving to the US, though. --- Edit regarding the US specifically (unfortunately, French only): Here's Safran suspending a factory project near Lyon and increasing production in the US and Malaysia: https://www.lesechos.fr/industrie-services/air-defense/safran-met-sur-pause-son-projet-dusine-a-lyon-a-cause-du-cout-de-lenergie-1873981 https://www.lesechos.fr/industrie-services/air-defense/safra... Also, BASF announcing a "cost-cutting" plan in Europe and increasing production in the US: https://www.europe1.fr/economie/prix-de-lenergie-delocalisations-comment-les-etats-unis-menacent-lindustrie-europeenne-4151114 https://www.europe1.fr/economie/prix-de-lenergie-delocalisat...
- KptMarchewa 4y ago
  Highest gas prices were in August, not winter.
  - vladvasiliu 4y ago
    That's correct, but the TFA is about how Europe cut energy consumption this winter. I think the reason is twofold: 1. Industries can probably not afford to cut production immediately 2. At least in France, there were worries about gas availability for the winter. The government tried to have industries lower their consumption to not run out of the reserves during the winter.

MoSattler 4y ago

that's anecdotal at best, not data. Finding links on the internet is not enough to identify a trend.

vladvasiliu 4y ago
The French national gas distribution company was talking about a significant reduction in industry consumption of 23% compared to 2018-2019 (to exclude covid), even when adjusted for weather. https://www.grtgaz.com/en/en/our-actions/continuity-of-gas-transmission/gas-consumption-overview-in-france https://www.grtgaz.com/en/en/our-actions/continuity-of-gas-t... I haven't found a similar source for electricity, though articles I've seen talk of reductions, too.
- SiempreViernes 4y ago
  Well, the government asked them to consume less so some reduction is expected. The part of the claim you have taken upon yourself to substantiate is that the reduction is mainly (or even mostly) due to industry getting closed down completely or relocated specifically to the US.