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its good for so many things: Need to write a speech as a best man Write a eulogy for a deceased family member Recently used it to speed up the time to fix an

its good for so many things: Need to write a speech as a best man Write a eulogy for a deceased family member Recently used it to speed up the time to fix an oauth problem in code I didnt write, knowing nothing about oauth. Replaces stackexchange with much more tailored answers. can take hundreds of pages of text and distill it down to an executive summary of any length Daughter uses it to explain how to solve algebra problems, not just give an answer. Will completely change education. Marketing using it for all content. Devs hate writing blog posts, it will take some code as an input and write a blog post about what it does. Can use it to come up with questions to seed a podcast Paralegals are virtually redundant. AI with all legal caselaw making it much easier HR using it to write customized offer letters, review resumes, etc. It isnt just about asking a question and getting an answer. You can keep adding context and the answers keep getting better.

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atq2119 4y ago
> can take hundreds of pages of text and distill it down to an executive summary of any length This is the kind of breathless claim that no doubt fuels the skeptics. None of the context windows are large enough for "hundreds of pages" nor "executive summaries of any length". I did believe that it's possible to make LLMs do that kind of task with significant engineering effort to make it do summaries iteratively somehow, essentially "compressing" parts of the document recursively. But it's not something that you can just give to ChatGPT and have it work. So yes, the hype is real, in both ways: there's lots of potential to explore over the next years, but also a lot of the claims you read today are not sufficiently hedged, which makes them look outlandish.
- chaxor 4y ago
  There are plenty of tools that make it possible, such as langchain and the rest
  - atq2119 4y ago
    Sure, quite likely - but only with significant engineering effort. I said as much in my comment. The point is that it's not a turnkey solution today, but some of the comments on here make it sound like it is. That's a form of hype.
    - greeny7373 4y ago
      You describe it in a way that sounds like hype is negative. Hype can also just mean a lot of media attention. This doesn't indicate anything good or bad.
otabdeveloper4 4y ago
> Need to write a speech as a best man > Write a eulogy for a deceased family member Yeah, if you're okay with sounding like marketing copy written by a robot. Remember last month when Stable Diffusion was supposed to put Disney out of business? Not gonna happen.
- BlackSwanMan 4y ago
  No one said Stable Diffusion would put Disney out of business but nice straw men
  - otabdeveloper4 4y ago
    Really? I'm too lazy to search for the Hacker News threads, but trust me, they did. Though I agree, that was two months ago and we are so over that already.
- MrVandemar 4y ago
  Amen. It outrages me that someone would waste my time making me listen to a regurgitated, averaged-out, speech written without any emotional fire or depth at an occasion that is profoundly meaningful. A speech as a best man should be personal, heartfelt, it should be funny and a little cringy maybe, and it should mean something. Same with eulogies; this is a moment to celebrate someone's life, to state what that person meant to you, how they affected you, to share something about that person with everyone else who is mourning. It's like those services that will buy gifts on your behalf for your "loved ones" or at least, the "acquaintences" that you seem to be obliged to provide gifts for. You've outsourced your taste, your chance to buy something quirky, meaningful, useful based on how well you know a person... which shows that you just don't know them at all. Better to say nothing than say it with ChatGPT.
  - greeny7373 4y ago
    That's quite arrogant. Not everyone has ever written something like it. Why is it unfair or unpersonal if chatgpt helps you, guides you and gives you a good starting point? Guess how many people would Google some example and starting with that, what's so wrong to let chatgpt generate a shitty first draft already tailored to your situation?
mayagerard0 4y ago
Unrelated to the general question of usefulness, but I'd be careful using it as a mathematics tutor. Maybe the algebra in this case is sufficiently basic as to be trivial for chatgpt, but I've found that quite often it gets confused by relatively simple mathematics in very baffling ways (One particular example I found amusing is it trying to use the pigeonhole principle with exactly N pigeons and N pigeonholes). There's also the problem that, being a complete pushover, it's hard (specially for a learner) to pinpoint whether the error is in the source or in the understanding of the reader. A teacher may, upon the request of a student to clarify what it seems like a mistake, say "No, this may seem wrong but it's correct for so and so reasons", but chatgpt usually goes "You're right, that was a mistake" and gets itself into messier and messier reasoning.
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atq2119 4y ago

> can take hundreds of pages of text and distill it down to an executive summary of any length This is the kind of breathless claim that no doubt fuels the skeptics. None of the context windows are large enough for "hundreds of pages" nor "executive summaries of any length". I did believe that it's possible to make LLMs do that kind of task with significant engineering effort to make it do summaries iteratively somehow, essentially "compressing" parts of the document recursively. But it's not something that you can just give to ChatGPT and have it work. So yes, the hype is real, in both ways: there's lots of potential to explore over the next years, but also a lot of the claims you read today are not sufficiently hedged, which makes them look outlandish.

chaxor 4y ago
There are plenty of tools that make it possible, such as langchain and the rest
- atq2119 4y ago
  Sure, quite likely - but only with significant engineering effort. I said as much in my comment. The point is that it's not a turnkey solution today, but some of the comments on here make it sound like it is. That's a form of hype.
  - greeny7373 4y ago
    You describe it in a way that sounds like hype is negative. Hype can also just mean a lot of media attention. This doesn't indicate anything good or bad.

otabdeveloper4 4y ago

> Need to write a speech as a best man > Write a eulogy for a deceased family member Yeah, if you're okay with sounding like marketing copy written by a robot. Remember last month when Stable Diffusion was supposed to put Disney out of business? Not gonna happen.

BlackSwanMan 4y ago
No one said Stable Diffusion would put Disney out of business but nice straw men
- otabdeveloper4 4y ago
  Really? I'm too lazy to search for the Hacker News threads, but trust me, they did. Though I agree, that was two months ago and we are so over that already.
MrVandemar 4y ago
Amen. It outrages me that someone would waste my time making me listen to a regurgitated, averaged-out, speech written without any emotional fire or depth at an occasion that is profoundly meaningful. A speech as a best man should be personal, heartfelt, it should be funny and a little cringy maybe, and it should mean something. Same with eulogies; this is a moment to celebrate someone's life, to state what that person meant to you, how they affected you, to share something about that person with everyone else who is mourning. It's like those services that will buy gifts on your behalf for your "loved ones" or at least, the "acquaintences" that you seem to be obliged to provide gifts for. You've outsourced your taste, your chance to buy something quirky, meaningful, useful based on how well you know a person... which shows that you just don't know them at all. Better to say nothing than say it with ChatGPT.
- greeny7373 4y ago
  That's quite arrogant. Not everyone has ever written something like it. Why is it unfair or unpersonal if chatgpt helps you, guides you and gives you a good starting point? Guess how many people would Google some example and starting with that, what's so wrong to let chatgpt generate a shitty first draft already tailored to your situation?

mayagerard0 4y ago

Unrelated to the general question of usefulness, but I'd be careful using it as a mathematics tutor. Maybe the algebra in this case is sufficiently basic as to be trivial for chatgpt, but I've found that quite often it gets confused by relatively simple mathematics in very baffling ways (One particular example I found amusing is it trying to use the pigeonhole principle with exactly N pigeons and N pigeonholes). There's also the problem that, being a complete pushover, it's hard (specially for a learner) to pinpoint whether the error is in the source or in the understanding of the reader. A teacher may, upon the request of a student to clarify what it seems like a mistake, say "No, this may seem wrong but it's correct for so and so reasons", but chatgpt usually goes "You're right, that was a mistake" and gets itself into messier and messier reasoning.

emptyfile 4y ago

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