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So you are saying that in the majority of these cases the fraud is intentional and not accidental? The point being the IRS can completely solve accidental mist

So you are saying that in the majority of these cases the fraud is intentional and not accidental? The point being the IRS can completely solve accidental mistakes but just telling everybody what they owe instead of forcing them to calculate it themselves.

Gigachad 4y ago
I assume a fair bit would be people claiming deductions they aren’t actually entitled to like expenses for driving to work.
Arborealist 4y ago
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- Johnny555 4y ago
  If the poor are paying fines because they are making accidental mistakes on their tax returns when the IRS already has the numbers that they expect them to fill in on their forms, then how is that not the IRS unfairly targeting the poor? What is fair about fining people for inadvertently writing down the wrong number or doing arithmetic incorrectly?
  - notch898a 4y ago
    People eligible for EITC rarely are handling stacks of 1099 and business transactions. We're talking about single mom with a couple part time jobs with a W-2 territory. The idea their taxes should have mistakes more than average seems a bit far-fetched to me. That said maybe it is cheaper and easier just to eliminate the EITC/taxes/filing for people earning under X. It seems like a waste to even bother with people making under 20 or 30 grand.
    - Johnny555 4y ago
      The idea their taxes should have mistakes more than average seems a bit far-fetched to me. I used to file my return electronically, a lot of my forms were downloaded electronically so I didn't even have to type in most data. Now I use an accountant (who I assume uses even better software than I do). What part of "single mom with a couple part time jobs" makes you think that she's perfect at transcribing data and calculating values?
      - notch898a 4y ago
        Your thesis is the taxes aren't worse, it's that you think the poors are too dumb to go to freetaxusa or something where basically all they have to do is copy and paste the data from their W2?
      - prepend 4y ago
        What makes you think she’s any worse at cutting and pasting than a non single mom? Standard deduction EITC does not involve many calculations even if someone uses the paper form and does it all manually. But most people are using the free tax services made for low income filers.
        kelnos 4y ago
        The mere fact that there are any calculations to be made, simple or complicated, means that some people will make mistakes. That's a fact of life.
        prepend 4y ago
        Of course, but I don’t think single moms are more likely to make mistakes than others.
        Johnny555 4y ago
        Compared to married moms? Maybe not. Compared to accountants, paid tax preparers, or e-filing software that imports the tax forms? Then most likely yes.
    - pandaman 4y ago
      EITC is not a some kind of a deduction though. EITC is a significant source of government welfare as it pays more than the taxes you paid at certain levels of income. And the reason it's a part of tax code instead of a direct handout is that illegal aliens would not be eligible otherwise, I suspect.
- djbusby 4y ago
  Is a "redditism" a criticism from Reddit? Or maybe a common belief from Reddit? What it means?
  - ronsor 4y ago
    It's supposed to mean reddit-tier jokes, but it seems its meaning has been twisted a bit.
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- kelnos 4y ago
  > the redditism Please don't do this here. It's an unnecessary ad-hominem attack. If you want to refute what you believe to be inaccurate information, then do so, with references. If you don't have references, then ask the person you're responding to if they have references to back up what they're saying. Otherwise, leave well enough alone.
  - Arborealist 4y ago
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Gigachad 4y ago

I assume a fair bit would be people claiming deductions they aren’t actually entitled to like expenses for driving to work.

Arborealist 4y ago

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Johnny555 4y ago
If the poor are paying fines because they are making accidental mistakes on their tax returns when the IRS already has the numbers that they expect them to fill in on their forms, then how is that not the IRS unfairly targeting the poor? What is fair about fining people for inadvertently writing down the wrong number or doing arithmetic incorrectly?
- notch898a 4y ago
  People eligible for EITC rarely are handling stacks of 1099 and business transactions. We're talking about single mom with a couple part time jobs with a W-2 territory. The idea their taxes should have mistakes more than average seems a bit far-fetched to me. That said maybe it is cheaper and easier just to eliminate the EITC/taxes/filing for people earning under X. It seems like a waste to even bother with people making under 20 or 30 grand.
  - Johnny555 4y ago
    The idea their taxes should have mistakes more than average seems a bit far-fetched to me. I used to file my return electronically, a lot of my forms were downloaded electronically so I didn't even have to type in most data. Now I use an accountant (who I assume uses even better software than I do). What part of "single mom with a couple part time jobs" makes you think that she's perfect at transcribing data and calculating values?
    - notch898a 4y ago
      Your thesis is the taxes aren't worse, it's that you think the poors are too dumb to go to freetaxusa or something where basically all they have to do is copy and paste the data from their W2?
    - prepend 4y ago
      What makes you think she’s any worse at cutting and pasting than a non single mom? Standard deduction EITC does not involve many calculations even if someone uses the paper form and does it all manually. But most people are using the free tax services made for low income filers.
      - kelnos 4y ago
        The mere fact that there are any calculations to be made, simple or complicated, means that some people will make mistakes. That's a fact of life.
        prepend 4y ago
        Of course, but I don’t think single moms are more likely to make mistakes than others.
        Johnny555 4y ago
        Compared to married moms? Maybe not. Compared to accountants, paid tax preparers, or e-filing software that imports the tax forms? Then most likely yes.
  - pandaman 4y ago
    EITC is not a some kind of a deduction though. EITC is a significant source of government welfare as it pays more than the taxes you paid at certain levels of income. And the reason it's a part of tax code instead of a direct handout is that illegal aliens would not be eligible otherwise, I suspect.
djbusby 4y ago
Is a "redditism" a criticism from Reddit? Or maybe a common belief from Reddit? What it means?
- ronsor 4y ago
  It's supposed to mean reddit-tier jokes, but it seems its meaning has been twisted a bit.
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kelnos 4y ago
> the redditism Please don't do this here. It's an unnecessary ad-hominem attack. If you want to refute what you believe to be inaccurate information, then do so, with references. If you don't have references, then ask the person you're responding to if they have references to back up what they're saying. Otherwise, leave well enough alone.
- Arborealist 4y ago
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