I'm not really interested in how well or poorly the models perform (in this context), I'm trying to understand why people have certain ideas about them. I thin

I'm not really interested in how well or poorly the models perform (in this context), I'm trying to understand why people have certain ideas about them. I think you and I are generally in agreement about consciousness and awareness. I think consciousness is an interaction of an agent with it's environment, rather than an agent in isolation. I guess that's why I find this attitude that consciousness is a matter of feeding enough data into a static training process confusing. I think it's a kind of is-ought problem where I ask about the "ought" and people express the "is" and we end up talking past each other. But I don't really have a good hypothesis to disprove this either, so I'll have to meditate on that. I think it may be testable but it's challenging to model.