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Isn't it the hosts demanding that? I'm sure most people don't expect you to clean up, or if they do don't also charge you a cleaning fee.

Entinel 4y ago
Most Airbnbs I have seen have a "check-out list" that involve some sort of shenanigans like this. Host rate you back as well so if you get a poor rating then you may have difficulty getting bookings in the future.
- genocidicbunny 4y ago
  Is there not also some way for the host to have you charged an additional fee for 'leaving the property dirty' or something like that? I'm thinking something along the lines of the Uber extra cleaning fees.
sokoloff 4y ago
I've had mostly very good experiences on AirBnB, but I've definitely seen the pattern of "you have to do exactly this to put the trash out, please wash the dishes exactly like this, please strip the beds and put the sheets here" and paid a $200+ cleaning fee. To be fair, the things those hosts asked me to do weren't anywhere near a full cleaning of the place, but I can see people who are used to doing exactly nothing when leaving a hotel being peeved that they had to do 10% of the cleaning and still pay a cleaning fee for the other 90%.
- xwdv 4y ago
  If I’m paying a cleaning fee why can’t I just pay that extra 10% and do nothing? Where’s that option? You know what, the next time I stay at an Airbnb, I’m going to just say I didn’t clean anything but I left an extra $20 on the counter to cover the work I didn’t do. Shouldn’t be a big deal right? That should be more than enough to cover the 15 minutes of labor I was asked to do, at a rate of like $80/hr.
  - sokoloff 4y ago
    > Where’s that option? At the Marriott?
    - xwdv 4y ago
      No, at the Marriot whether you leave things clean or dirty, it’s the same price…
  - throwaway472919 4y ago
    You can't go to McDonalds and pay extra for table service, or less to cook the burger yourself. But you can pay more at a proper restaurant or less at the supermarket. Even if what you're offering is "fair", we can't have every business offering every service.
    - xwdv 4y ago
      I just don’t understand, if they’re going to clean the apartment anyway, why should I clean anything at all? It seems like a petty power move type thing, like a way to ensure guests don’t go too crazy or something because you make them feel like they will have to clean things up.
      - sokoloff 4y ago
        If the cleaners are going to be there 90 minutes, they won’t have time to load and run a full dishwasher cycle and put it away. But they’ll have enough time to put it away if you started it before you left. The other choice is they do everything, but you pay them for 2.5 hours instead of 1.5 hours. I’ve never seen a list of chores that was unreasonable, even if there was a non-null list of things for me to do, it was always reasonable.
        xwdv 4y ago
        The owner can pay them. It’s not my problem. If they don’t set the cleaning fee accordingly that’s their fault. $150 cleaning should be enough.
- 8note 4y ago
  I don't see why I should be charged a cleaning fee at all, or do any cleaning. Maintaining a clean spot is the "hosts" responsibility I'm pretty sure I've been charged by airbnb for a cleaning fee when I never even stayed at the place. Edit: yep, 40 bucks in cleaning fees without ever entering the place
postsantum 4y ago
The problem is that the free market isn't solving such hosts away due to information asymmetry
- scarface74 4y ago
  It definitely is, people who don’t want to deal with the bill shit stay at a hotel.

Entinel 4y ago

Most Airbnbs I have seen have a "check-out list" that involve some sort of shenanigans like this. Host rate you back as well so if you get a poor rating then you may have difficulty getting bookings in the future.

genocidicbunny 4y ago
Is there not also some way for the host to have you charged an additional fee for 'leaving the property dirty' or something like that? I'm thinking something along the lines of the Uber extra cleaning fees.

sokoloff 4y ago

I've had mostly very good experiences on AirBnB, but I've definitely seen the pattern of "you have to do exactly this to put the trash out, please wash the dishes exactly like this, please strip the beds and put the sheets here" and paid a $200+ cleaning fee. To be fair, the things those hosts asked me to do weren't anywhere near a full cleaning of the place, but I can see people who are used to doing exactly nothing when leaving a hotel being peeved that they had to do 10% of the cleaning and still pay a cleaning fee for the other 90%.

xwdv 4y ago
If I’m paying a cleaning fee why can’t I just pay that extra 10% and do nothing? Where’s that option? You know what, the next time I stay at an Airbnb, I’m going to just say I didn’t clean anything but I left an extra $20 on the counter to cover the work I didn’t do. Shouldn’t be a big deal right? That should be more than enough to cover the 15 minutes of labor I was asked to do, at a rate of like $80/hr.
- sokoloff 4y ago
  > Where’s that option? At the Marriott?
  - xwdv 4y ago
    No, at the Marriot whether you leave things clean or dirty, it’s the same price…
- throwaway472919 4y ago
  You can't go to McDonalds and pay extra for table service, or less to cook the burger yourself. But you can pay more at a proper restaurant or less at the supermarket. Even if what you're offering is "fair", we can't have every business offering every service.
  - xwdv 4y ago
    I just don’t understand, if they’re going to clean the apartment anyway, why should I clean anything at all? It seems like a petty power move type thing, like a way to ensure guests don’t go too crazy or something because you make them feel like they will have to clean things up.
    - sokoloff 4y ago
      If the cleaners are going to be there 90 minutes, they won’t have time to load and run a full dishwasher cycle and put it away. But they’ll have enough time to put it away if you started it before you left. The other choice is they do everything, but you pay them for 2.5 hours instead of 1.5 hours. I’ve never seen a list of chores that was unreasonable, even if there was a non-null list of things for me to do, it was always reasonable.
      - xwdv 4y ago
        The owner can pay them. It’s not my problem. If they don’t set the cleaning fee accordingly that’s their fault. $150 cleaning should be enough.
8note 4y ago
I don't see why I should be charged a cleaning fee at all, or do any cleaning. Maintaining a clean spot is the "hosts" responsibility I'm pretty sure I've been charged by airbnb for a cleaning fee when I never even stayed at the place. Edit: yep, 40 bucks in cleaning fees without ever entering the place

postsantum 4y ago

The problem is that the free market isn't solving such hosts away due to information asymmetry

scarface74 4y ago
It definitely is, people who don’t want to deal with the bill shit stay at a hotel.