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In Europe, if you are using Tesla and there is an accident while self-driving is engaged, then you are the one responsible (Tesla says they don't take any legal

by rvnx 4y ago

In Europe, if you are using Tesla and there is an accident while self-driving is engaged, then you are the one responsible (Tesla says they don't take any legal responsibility), but if you are driving a Mercedes while self-driving is engaged, Mercedes takes the legal responsibility.

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wilg 4y ago
Though there are many articles about this legal responsibility, it's not completely clear to me if the Mercedes Drive Pilot system is actually purchasable, and if so if the liability works this way. Their German website [1] says (translated by Google): > Our driver assistance and safety systems are aids and do not release you from your responsibility as a driver. Observe the information in the operating instructions and the system limits described there. It also seems to only work in extremely ideal conditions [2]: > They must be on one of the nation's 8200 miles of autobahn highway in traffic traveling at no more than 60 km/h (37 mph) in dry conditions and away from tunnels or construction zones. So basically only works on traffic jams on the autobahn in good weather with no construction. How many accidents are happening in these conditions? This seems like marketing fluff more than anything. [1] https://www.mercedes-benz.de/passengercars/technology/drive-pilot.html https://www.mercedes-benz.de/passengercars/technology/drive-... [2] https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a39966189/2022-mercedes-benz-eqs-drive-pilot-drive/ https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a39966189/2022-mercedes...
ohgodplsno 4y ago
Tesla says a lot of crap to be honest, and their argument wouldn't hold for a second in court if someone held responsible for an autopilot incident sues Tesla back.
- rvnx 4y ago
  Lucky for them that the autopilot often disengages before a crash. https://www.motortrend.com/news/nhtsa-tesla-autopilot-investigation-shutoff-crash/ https://www.motortrend.com/news/nhtsa-tesla-autopilot-invest...

by rvnx 4y ago

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wilg 4y ago

Though there are many articles about this legal responsibility, it's not completely clear to me if the Mercedes Drive Pilot system is actually purchasable, and if so if the liability works this way. Their German website [1] says (translated by Google): > Our driver assistance and safety systems are aids and do not release you from your responsibility as a driver. Observe the information in the operating instructions and the system limits described there. It also seems to only work in extremely ideal conditions [2]: > They must be on one of the nation's 8200 miles of autobahn highway in traffic traveling at no more than 60 km/h (37 mph) in dry conditions and away from tunnels or construction zones. So basically only works on traffic jams on the autobahn in good weather with no construction. How many accidents are happening in these conditions? This seems like marketing fluff more than anything. [1] https://www.mercedes-benz.de/passengercars/technology/drive-pilot.html https://www.mercedes-benz.de/passengercars/technology/drive-... [2] https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a39966189/2022-mercedes-benz-eqs-drive-pilot-drive/ https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a39966189/2022-mercedes...

ohgodplsno 4y ago

Tesla says a lot of crap to be honest, and their argument wouldn't hold for a second in court if someone held responsible for an autopilot incident sues Tesla back.

rvnx 4y ago
Lucky for them that the autopilot often disengages before a crash. https://www.motortrend.com/news/nhtsa-tesla-autopilot-investigation-shutoff-crash/ https://www.motortrend.com/news/nhtsa-tesla-autopilot-invest...