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It was a complex situation to be sure. I only shared the story to illustrate how personally people are taking these discussions. I really felt like I was being

by JieJie 4y ago

It was a complex situation to be sure. I only shared the story to illustrate how personally people are taking these discussions. I really felt like I was being very neutral and just sharing my enthusiasm. It was entirely unwelcome, apparently. If there's a lesson to be learned it's that people's tempers over these issues may be hotter than they appear. I can barely speak with my artist friends on the issue these days due to their generative AI fears. Their emotions are completely intractable on the subject: AI art is theft. Period.

brazzy 4y ago
If are is a major part of someone's identity (strongly implied by calling them an "artist"), then it's hardly surprising that they would feel threatened and react emotionally to something that massively disrupts the creation of art and the viability of making a living from it.
- JieJie 4y ago
  I'm old enough to have had my design and publishing career evaporate underneath my feet because newsprint has mostly been replaced by the internet. I'm even old enough that I was part of replacing other people's careers with technology during the desktop publishing revolution. I remember when graphics tablets became a thing and how traditional pen and brush artists cried, "unfair!" I always felt empathy for them, even back then. I feel empathy for my artist friends as well. How can we ever have a better future if we keep trying to prevent change from disrupting our careers? In my experience, I've seen a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth, but these changes have always come no matter how hard people fought. On the other hand, I see people who try to adapt to these changes do quite well. It's the part where I watch them hide their head in the sand that bothers me, not their anger. I want them to succeed. I think they have great eyes for color and line and those things are still super-valid long after the generative AI has replaced the pen and brush. I don't want to watch my artist friends suffer. I am old enough to know that the effort to stop generative AI is almost certainly going to fail (just as all the previous efforts to prevent change failed), and it is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness. The only constant is change.
giardini 4y ago
JeJie says >"Their emotions are completely intractable on the subject: AI art is theft. Period."< Then the only true artist would be one who has never seen art before except his/her own. The correction of your friends' belief would be that "ALL art is theft. Period."

by JieJie 4y ago

brazzy 4y ago

If are is a major part of someone's identity (strongly implied by calling them an "artist"), then it's hardly surprising that they would feel threatened and react emotionally to something that massively disrupts the creation of art and the viability of making a living from it.

JieJie 4y ago
I'm old enough to have had my design and publishing career evaporate underneath my feet because newsprint has mostly been replaced by the internet. I'm even old enough that I was part of replacing other people's careers with technology during the desktop publishing revolution. I remember when graphics tablets became a thing and how traditional pen and brush artists cried, "unfair!" I always felt empathy for them, even back then. I feel empathy for my artist friends as well. How can we ever have a better future if we keep trying to prevent change from disrupting our careers? In my experience, I've seen a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth, but these changes have always come no matter how hard people fought. On the other hand, I see people who try to adapt to these changes do quite well. It's the part where I watch them hide their head in the sand that bothers me, not their anger. I want them to succeed. I think they have great eyes for color and line and those things are still super-valid long after the generative AI has replaced the pen and brush. I don't want to watch my artist friends suffer. I am old enough to know that the effort to stop generative AI is almost certainly going to fail (just as all the previous efforts to prevent change failed), and it is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness. The only constant is change.

giardini 4y ago

JeJie says >"Their emotions are completely intractable on the subject: AI art is theft. Period."< Then the only true artist would be one who has never seen art before except his/her own. The correction of your friends' belief would be that "ALL art is theft. Period."