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I see what you mean; but as external observer to both, I see crypto as having failed to provide or prove any particularly productive use; and chatGPT, for all i

I see what you mean; but as external observer to both, I see crypto as having failed to provide or prove any particularly productive use; and chatGPT, for all its flaws, has been useful to me daily for last 2 months - and not in some crazy make-money-in-suspicious-ways sense, but like learning french and python and figuring out new concepts and stuff. But that's sample n=1 I suppose, there are both people that believe in crypto and those who believe chatGPT is useless.

rimliu 4y ago
I wonder how much of usefulness of ChatGPT that some report is caused by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novelty_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novelty_effect Because it is new, and cool, and fascinating people are spending a bit more time with a bit more focus on the task with it compared to the old ways, hence the productivity increase. Once the novelty wears off…
- hvs 4y ago
  It has helped me learn things more interactively because I can ask questions and get answers without having to read 10 blog posts or a book before understanding things. For my personality, it would be hard to recreate without having a living mentor available 24/7 that had knowledge of everything I wanted to ask of it. Does it get things wrong? Sure. But generally the subtle ways it might get stuff wrong would be the way I would subtly misunderstand things while learning. So, it's definitely not perfect, but "not letting perfect be the enemy of good" and all that.
  - __loam 4y ago
    It's shocking to me how many people are treating chatGPT as a reliable source given how much we know it hallucinates.
    - pixl97 4y ago
      Because very few people ever stop and take account of how monstrously unreliable people are. At the same time I can ask GPT to write a script, reflect on its output, and it takes about 95% of the work I need to do out of script writing.
    - NikolaNovak 4y ago
      But... How much does it hallucinate? Are there safer areas or ways of asking questions, than others? Genuine question. I found that when I ask simple factual questions in a... "non pushy non presumptive" manner, it gives accurate basic answers in areas I'm familiar with. I ask it simple things about basic French or basic Python or basic music theory and so far it's been... brilliant! I found most examples of hallucination on the web to be pushy or presumptive or edgy I. E. "tell me the ways in which vaccines cause male pattern baldness" and then manipulate prompts. So I assume there are areas and approaches that are safer and more useful, and areas and approaches that are riskier?
    - neffy 4y ago
      It's shocking to me how many people are treating Google Search as a reliable source given how much we know it silos people into extremist sites, and has been extensively gamed by SEO professionals.
  - the_lonely_road 4y ago
    You must have missed the article posted this morning where ChatGPT complexity invented a sexual allegation against a law professor including citing a fictional news article that never existed. I wouldn’t call that a subtle misunderstanding.
    - hvs 4y ago
      I'm not asking for lists of sexual allegations, I'm asking about technical concepts. Very different.
    - pixl97 4y ago
      So it's the Weekly World News... And yea, we've had rags before AI was made too.
    - ImaCake 4y ago
      Yes, chatGPT hallucinates facts and is not great at causal inference chains. The interactivity is the real boon as what I can do is query the chat bot, and then explore the results either with traditional research or with more queries and exploration. It's a really fun and productive way to learn.
- NikolaNovak 4y ago
  possibly. But I find it the opposite - there's more and more use I find in it as time passes. I am encouraging my friends to play with it, to figure out for themselves when it's useful and when it's not. For me, It's like having a learning companion, and it makes it easier for me to tackle new things when I can "brainstorm" and ask random (basic) questions.
0xdeadbeefbabe 4y ago
It's like an improved search engine that sometimes invents plausible results.
iamben 4y ago
I think it's less about the usefulness and more about the fact that everyone is racing to add ChatGPT to their products (or start a new product off the back of it), whether or not it's useful or adds value. That feels a lot like everyone tacking on blockchain or launching an ICO. But with you - I've found ChatGPT very useful!
int_19h 4y ago
So far, crypto provides exactly one genuinely useful ability: transferring money outside of regulatory frameworks. If, say, you need to buy some things that aren't legal in your country on the black market, or your family lives in a country that's under sanctions and they need money quick, that might be very productive use of it.

rimliu 4y ago

I wonder how much of usefulness of ChatGPT that some report is caused by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novelty_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novelty_effect Because it is new, and cool, and fascinating people are spending a bit more time with a bit more focus on the task with it compared to the old ways, hence the productivity increase. Once the novelty wears off…

hvs 4y ago
It has helped me learn things more interactively because I can ask questions and get answers without having to read 10 blog posts or a book before understanding things. For my personality, it would be hard to recreate without having a living mentor available 24/7 that had knowledge of everything I wanted to ask of it. Does it get things wrong? Sure. But generally the subtle ways it might get stuff wrong would be the way I would subtly misunderstand things while learning. So, it's definitely not perfect, but "not letting perfect be the enemy of good" and all that.
- __loam 4y ago
  It's shocking to me how many people are treating chatGPT as a reliable source given how much we know it hallucinates.
  - pixl97 4y ago
    Because very few people ever stop and take account of how monstrously unreliable people are. At the same time I can ask GPT to write a script, reflect on its output, and it takes about 95% of the work I need to do out of script writing.
  - NikolaNovak 4y ago
    But... How much does it hallucinate? Are there safer areas or ways of asking questions, than others? Genuine question. I found that when I ask simple factual questions in a... "non pushy non presumptive" manner, it gives accurate basic answers in areas I'm familiar with. I ask it simple things about basic French or basic Python or basic music theory and so far it's been... brilliant! I found most examples of hallucination on the web to be pushy or presumptive or edgy I. E. "tell me the ways in which vaccines cause male pattern baldness" and then manipulate prompts. So I assume there are areas and approaches that are safer and more useful, and areas and approaches that are riskier?
  - neffy 4y ago
    It's shocking to me how many people are treating Google Search as a reliable source given how much we know it silos people into extremist sites, and has been extensively gamed by SEO professionals.
- the_lonely_road 4y ago
  You must have missed the article posted this morning where ChatGPT complexity invented a sexual allegation against a law professor including citing a fictional news article that never existed. I wouldn’t call that a subtle misunderstanding.
  - hvs 4y ago
    I'm not asking for lists of sexual allegations, I'm asking about technical concepts. Very different.
  - pixl97 4y ago
    So it's the Weekly World News... And yea, we've had rags before AI was made too.
  - ImaCake 4y ago
    Yes, chatGPT hallucinates facts and is not great at causal inference chains. The interactivity is the real boon as what I can do is query the chat bot, and then explore the results either with traditional research or with more queries and exploration. It's a really fun and productive way to learn.
NikolaNovak 4y ago
possibly. But I find it the opposite - there's more and more use I find in it as time passes. I am encouraging my friends to play with it, to figure out for themselves when it's useful and when it's not. For me, It's like having a learning companion, and it makes it easier for me to tackle new things when I can "brainstorm" and ask random (basic) questions.

0xdeadbeefbabe 4y ago

It's like an improved search engine that sometimes invents plausible results.

iamben 4y ago

I think it's less about the usefulness and more about the fact that everyone is racing to add ChatGPT to their products (or start a new product off the back of it), whether or not it's useful or adds value. That feels a lot like everyone tacking on blockchain or launching an ICO. But with you - I've found ChatGPT very useful!

int_19h 4y ago

So far, crypto provides exactly one genuinely useful ability: transferring money outside of regulatory frameworks. If, say, you need to buy some things that aren't legal in your country on the black market, or your family lives in a country that's under sanctions and they need money quick, that might be very productive use of it.