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So you would rather buy a car from one of the "Dieselgate" companies? > Privacy is taken extremely seriously here in Germany. Yes, to the point nothing can ge

So you would rather buy a car from one of the "Dieselgate" companies? > Privacy is taken extremely seriously here in Germany. Yes, to the point nothing can get done anymore and e. g. having an outdated, non-digitalized healthcare system. Tesla is doing it wrong. But Germany is also doing it wrong - just on the other extreme.

ruph123 4y ago
> Yes, to the point nothing can get done anymore and e. g. having an outdated, non-digitalized healthcare system. The system may be slow and not very digital but it is very much not outdated. As someone who has seen a friend go through a terminal illness and has researched quite a lot about cancer treatments, the care you can get in Germany is top notch. And all that for free (except for hospital bed that you have to pay sometimes if you stay longer than a set amount. Which is about 11EUR if I remember correctly). Yes things can be improved and privacy can be a hurdle but it is not quite a bleak as HN commenters make it out to be. I would take it over having everything beging top notch digital without any regards for privacy like it is in the US. (and often very poor or non-existent non-digital solutions)
stametseater 4y ago
> one of the "Dieselgate" companies? There was only one "Dieselgate company", Volkswagen Group. BMW and Mercedes-Benz had nothing to do with it. And yes, I would rather buy a car that cheats on emissions tests than a car which spies on me. That's an easy choice (or would be, if I had any real confidence that VW cars truly don't spy on their users too. Which I don't.)
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- brandonagr2 4y ago
  While Dieselgate refers to VW specifically, there are a lot of companies that have been caught cheating on emissions tests, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_emissions_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_emissions_scandal
  - fomine3 4y ago
    It's weird that Bosch is mentioned only once on the page.

ruph123 4y ago

> Yes, to the point nothing can get done anymore and e. g. having an outdated, non-digitalized healthcare system. The system may be slow and not very digital but it is very much not outdated. As someone who has seen a friend go through a terminal illness and has researched quite a lot about cancer treatments, the care you can get in Germany is top notch. And all that for free (except for hospital bed that you have to pay sometimes if you stay longer than a set amount. Which is about 11EUR if I remember correctly). Yes things can be improved and privacy can be a hurdle but it is not quite a bleak as HN commenters make it out to be. I would take it over having everything beging top notch digital without any regards for privacy like it is in the US. (and often very poor or non-existent non-digital solutions)

stametseater 4y ago

> one of the "Dieselgate" companies? There was only one "Dieselgate company", Volkswagen Group. BMW and Mercedes-Benz had nothing to do with it. And yes, I would rather buy a car that cheats on emissions tests than a car which spies on me. That's an easy choice (or would be, if I had any real confidence that VW cars truly don't spy on their users too. Which I don't.)

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brandonagr2 4y ago
While Dieselgate refers to VW specifically, there are a lot of companies that have been caught cheating on emissions tests, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_emissions_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_emissions_scandal
- fomine3 4y ago
  It's weird that Bosch is mentioned only once on the page.