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If this is true, shame on Tesla. If this is true, I expect the company will face a mass lawsuit from Tesla EV owners, many of whom have deep pockets. If this

by cs702 4y ago

If this is true, shame on Tesla. If this is true, I expect the company will face a mass lawsuit from Tesla EV owners, many of whom have deep pockets. If this is true, whoever enabled or did it should pay.

rootusrootus 4y ago
> I expect the company will face a mass lawsuit from Tesla EV owners Doubt it. Tesla still hasn't really faced any consequences for selling FSD capabilities that don't yet exist, and for a lot of money. They haven't faced any real consequences for removing capabilities from their customers' cars with no renumeration. Tesla owners are a loyal bunch and forgive a lot.
- brandonagr2 4y ago
  Not sure what capabilities you think don't exist, everything I paid for is working on my car right now.
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    Sure, not everyone is impacted. Some people had significant battery capacity removed without any compensation. Others have had hardware disabled (the most obvious recent example being radar). Edit: oh, you were probably talking about FSD. It can't drive itself yet, in case you didn't notice. Not across the neighborhood, much less across the country. At the risk of being uncharitable, I'm going to assume you're going to disagree about whether sufficient fine print exists to absolve Tesla of responsibility, legally or morally, for what they've advertised FSD to be over the years. We don't need to rehash that, you won't convince me to change my position either. If I had bought FSD for either of my Model 3s, I'd be quite irritated by now.
  - rvnx 4y ago
    "FSD" in Europe is sold for 7500 EUR, and you can barely even get out of the garage with it. Compared to systems from Mercedes it's not performing good at all. It looks like Teslas are optimised or tested in the US.
  - dang 4y ago
    Single-purpose accounts are not allowed on HN, so can you please stop using an account to comment only about one thing? We want curious conversation here. Pre-existing agendas are not compatible with that. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

by cs702 4y ago

rootusrootus 4y ago

> I expect the company will face a mass lawsuit from Tesla EV owners Doubt it. Tesla still hasn't really faced any consequences for selling FSD capabilities that don't yet exist, and for a lot of money. They haven't faced any real consequences for removing capabilities from their customers' cars with no renumeration. Tesla owners are a loyal bunch and forgive a lot.

brandonagr2 4y ago
Not sure what capabilities you think don't exist, everything I paid for is working on my car right now.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  Sure, not everyone is impacted. Some people had significant battery capacity removed without any compensation. Others have had hardware disabled (the most obvious recent example being radar). Edit: oh, you were probably talking about FSD. It can't drive itself yet, in case you didn't notice. Not across the neighborhood, much less across the country. At the risk of being uncharitable, I'm going to assume you're going to disagree about whether sufficient fine print exists to absolve Tesla of responsibility, legally or morally, for what they've advertised FSD to be over the years. We don't need to rehash that, you won't convince me to change my position either. If I had bought FSD for either of my Model 3s, I'd be quite irritated by now.
- rvnx 4y ago
  "FSD" in Europe is sold for 7500 EUR, and you can barely even get out of the garage with it. Compared to systems from Mercedes it's not performing good at all. It looks like Teslas are optimised or tested in the US.
- dang 4y ago
  Single-purpose accounts are not allowed on HN, so can you please stop using an account to comment only about one thing? We want curious conversation here. Pre-existing agendas are not compatible with that. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html