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> I don't pay for any service that connects it to the cloud. So it has the capability to connect? No thanks. I don't think that's the distinction OP was tryi

> I don't pay for any service that connects it to the cloud. So it has the capability to connect? No thanks. I don't think that's the distinction OP was trying to make.

jjulius 4y ago
>So it has the capability to connect? No thanks. All well and good for you, and I don't fault you for making that decision for yourself. OP's stated requirement was... >not an always-connected surveillance device ... which without opting into the service, the Leaf is not. Happy to have OP clarify for themselves, though.
- RussianCow 4y ago
  The fact that you don't pay for it doesn't guarantee that it doesn't still connect to the cloud and share your data.
- rationalist 4y ago
  > always-connected I'm betting the car always connects, it's just whether or not you enable any benefits of the connection. Anyone with actual knowledge about cars with such devices willing to chime in? Edit: consider how the car knows whether or not you're paying for any service.
  - wcunning 4y ago
    Work in the industry -- the reason you have to pay is that the companies do not contract with Verizon/ATT/Tmo to have always on connection unless you eat the cost. This is changing going forward due to the value of always on system monitoring (DTCs, oil change interval etc) to say you didn't do your part and the warranty is void, but that's not on stuff from the last 10 years and won't ever be. Also, current things don't benefit past the warranty period, which is why you have to pay beyond that point if you want e.g. remote start. This will change in the next couple of years with OTA updates and whatnot, but that's only now on Mercedes/BMW/etc and only just getting onto Ford/GM/Stellantis/etc.
    - jjulius 4y ago
      Thank you.
  - to11mtm 4y ago
    My understanding of OnStar is that you have to disconnect some things to -truly- disable it. (Probably to let people 're-subscribe' if they try to use the thing when they aren't current customers.) Other systems... I can say my Maverick lets you select whether to have vehicle location data shared or not, but TBH I don't trust opt-outs. [0] I've also run into the issue on my said car, where my opt-outs got de-opted when the dealer runs updates. [0] - Also as a side note, I've had at least one loan note in the past (from a larger bank) where they stated a tracking device may be placed in the vehicle. Not sure whether they sell that data.
lostlogin 4y ago
> So it has the capability to connect? I don’t think so. I was trying to get a firmware update, and I can’t without going to a dealer as far as I can tell.

> I don't pay for any service that connects it to the cloud. So it has the capability to connect? No thanks. I don't think that's the distinction OP was trying to make.

jjulius 4y ago

>So it has the capability to connect? No thanks. All well and good for you, and I don't fault you for making that decision for yourself. OP's stated requirement was... >not an always-connected surveillance device ... which without opting into the service, the Leaf is not. Happy to have OP clarify for themselves, though.

RussianCow 4y ago
The fact that you don't pay for it doesn't guarantee that it doesn't still connect to the cloud and share your data.
rationalist 4y ago
> always-connected I'm betting the car always connects, it's just whether or not you enable any benefits of the connection. Anyone with actual knowledge about cars with such devices willing to chime in? Edit: consider how the car knows whether or not you're paying for any service.
- wcunning 4y ago
  Work in the industry -- the reason you have to pay is that the companies do not contract with Verizon/ATT/Tmo to have always on connection unless you eat the cost. This is changing going forward due to the value of always on system monitoring (DTCs, oil change interval etc) to say you didn't do your part and the warranty is void, but that's not on stuff from the last 10 years and won't ever be. Also, current things don't benefit past the warranty period, which is why you have to pay beyond that point if you want e.g. remote start. This will change in the next couple of years with OTA updates and whatnot, but that's only now on Mercedes/BMW/etc and only just getting onto Ford/GM/Stellantis/etc.
  - jjulius 4y ago
    Thank you.
- to11mtm 4y ago
  My understanding of OnStar is that you have to disconnect some things to -truly- disable it. (Probably to let people 're-subscribe' if they try to use the thing when they aren't current customers.) Other systems... I can say my Maverick lets you select whether to have vehicle location data shared or not, but TBH I don't trust opt-outs. [0] I've also run into the issue on my said car, where my opt-outs got de-opted when the dealer runs updates. [0] - Also as a side note, I've had at least one loan note in the past (from a larger bank) where they stated a tracking device may be placed in the vehicle. Not sure whether they sell that data.

lostlogin 4y ago

> So it has the capability to connect? I don’t think so. I was trying to get a firmware update, and I can’t without going to a dealer as far as I can tell.