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Sorry to be "that person", but have you tried Rust yet? It checks a lot of your boxes: - Access and control, nothing "behind your back" - Low or high level, a

Sorry to be "that person", but have you tried Rust yet? It checks a lot of your boxes: - Access and control, nothing "behind your back" - Low or high level, as you prefer - Swap in different implementations (custom allocator, different async runtime, etc) - Really powerful macros - Strong conventions, safe by default (but you can break them, go into the weeds if needed) Downsides compared to your list: - More complex than C or Go (though less than C++) - Only one production compiler, and everyone assumes `cargo` build system (though both are very good) - Library ecosystem not quite as extensive (though there is a lot of good stuff on crates.io, and you can always write bindings to C) The little things that seal the deal: - Enums (tagged unions without the danger or boilerplate) - Zero-cost closures - Incremental compilation - "If it compiles, it probably works" - Standardized documentation via `rustdoc` - Module system

_benj 4y ago
hehe! It's ok to be "that person" :) Yes, I've tried rust and have even shipped some project with it! I think the things that didn't worked for me was the complexity. It felt like I had to keep a lot of things in mind to be effective, (traits can be a bit obscure, i.e. magic IMHO), also lifetimes and Option made the code complex by either having a bunch of math or .unwrap all over the place. With that said tho, Rust would be one of my top picks for a professional setting or a codebase that I share with a team, because of the really good defaults that it has! I read once somebody comparing the Rust compiler with a bunch of tiny unit tests that the developer doesn't have to write, and I agree with that! With C tho, for personal stuff I can do things that I've never do professionally (i.e. use the OS as my GC because when the process dies the OS is gonna "free" my memory allocations anyways! I know, terrible, but I'm having fun! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

_benj 4y ago

hehe! It's ok to be "that person" :) Yes, I've tried rust and have even shipped some project with it! I think the things that didn't worked for me was the complexity. It felt like I had to keep a lot of things in mind to be effective, (traits can be a bit obscure, i.e. magic IMHO), also lifetimes and Option made the code complex by either having a bunch of math or .unwrap all over the place. With that said tho, Rust would be one of my top picks for a professional setting or a codebase that I share with a team, because of the really good defaults that it has! I read once somebody comparing the Rust compiler with a bunch of tiny unit tests that the developer doesn't have to write, and I agree with that! With C tho, for personal stuff I can do things that I've never do professionally (i.e. use the OS as my GC because when the process dies the OS is gonna "free" my memory allocations anyways! I know, terrible, but I'm having fun! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)