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> Wake me up when there's an EV that is just a car and not an always-connected surveillance device on wheels. This is an easy way to excuse Tesla's behavior.

by ctvo 4y ago

> Wake me up when there's an EV that is just a car and not an always-connected surveillance device on wheels. This is an easy way to excuse Tesla's behavior. You're implying everyone does it. <shrug> What can ya do, right? There's 0 evidence other car companies are allowing PII like this to be spread internally, and employees are so brazen as to use them as the basis for memes.

mikece 4y ago
I'm saying exactly the opposite. I will never consider getting an EV as long as it's full-time tethered to the mothership and my car can be deactivated/bricked/broken remotely either on purpose or by accident. I want my car to be MY property, not a device obeying inputs from someone somewhere else. And absolutely no surveillance built in. Until then I'll stick to gasoline cars.
- croutonwagon 4y ago
  A lot of gas cars do this too. With services like onstar and low rate data connections either via satellite or even lte etc. Many modern cars are this way. Tesla is just egregious about it. Ford, Toyota etc can still do it. Remember the remote start payment plan for Toyota? https://www.thedrive.com/news/43329/toyota-made-its-key-fob-remote-start-into-a-subscription-service https://www.thedrive.com/news/43329/toyota-made-its-key-fob-... Or even the reports of hacking a cars canbus? https://www.dmv.com/blog/can-your-car-be-remotely-hacked-523252?tg1=DVA&utm_content=dmv.com&utm_medium=dmv_&tg7=dmv_&utm_source=dmv.com&tg9=dmv.com&utm_term=organic_dmv&utm_campaign=organic_dmv https://www.dmv.com/blog/can-your-car-be-remotely-hacked-523... All that said though. I totally agree. I will never drive a car like this or one that tells me I need to update before I can drive. And if I do get a computer car (at least one like a Tesla that runs something resembling a Linux or bsd kernel, then I would expect to be able to access that system just like the engine etc). It’s my property.
giantg2 4y ago
Even without the privacy issues, I want cars that are simple and have less tech. The absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. Even so, there are documented security issues with most connected vehicles.
temac 4y ago
This data should not even be collected in the first place. Even just the collection is 1984-style.

by ctvo 4y ago

mikece 4y ago

I'm saying exactly the opposite. I will never consider getting an EV as long as it's full-time tethered to the mothership and my car can be deactivated/bricked/broken remotely either on purpose or by accident. I want my car to be MY property, not a device obeying inputs from someone somewhere else. And absolutely no surveillance built in. Until then I'll stick to gasoline cars.

croutonwagon 4y ago
A lot of gas cars do this too. With services like onstar and low rate data connections either via satellite or even lte etc. Many modern cars are this way. Tesla is just egregious about it. Ford, Toyota etc can still do it. Remember the remote start payment plan for Toyota? https://www.thedrive.com/news/43329/toyota-made-its-key-fob-remote-start-into-a-subscription-service https://www.thedrive.com/news/43329/toyota-made-its-key-fob-... Or even the reports of hacking a cars canbus? https://www.dmv.com/blog/can-your-car-be-remotely-hacked-523252?tg1=DVA&utm_content=dmv.com&utm_medium=dmv_&tg7=dmv_&utm_source=dmv.com&tg9=dmv.com&utm_term=organic_dmv&utm_campaign=organic_dmv https://www.dmv.com/blog/can-your-car-be-remotely-hacked-523... All that said though. I totally agree. I will never drive a car like this or one that tells me I need to update before I can drive. And if I do get a computer car (at least one like a Tesla that runs something resembling a Linux or bsd kernel, then I would expect to be able to access that system just like the engine etc). It’s my property.

giantg2 4y ago

Even without the privacy issues, I want cars that are simple and have less tech. The absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. Even so, there are documented security issues with most connected vehicles.

temac 4y ago

This data should not even be collected in the first place. Even just the collection is 1984-style.