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Yikes. So turning private images into memes and posting them internally isn't a fireable offence but union talk is? Such impeccable standards for conduct.

kjs3 4y ago
Corp culture comes from the top. So...there you go.
verdverm 4y ago
Let's wait and see if these employees get fired, this just broke. Typically an investigation happens. Reminds me of the Uber Christmas party story where they had things like this on a projector
- morkalork 4y ago
  It's not like the memes were posted internally today, firing them now is just a reactionary response. The problem is that they let it go on the entire time before now.
- masswerk 4y ago
  Hum, > Tesla managers sometimes "would crack down on inappropriate sharing of images on public Mattermost channels since they claimed the practice violated company policy," Reuters wrote. somewhat implies that this has been a known issue for a while, already. (This shouldn't be triggered exclusively by a public scandal.)
  - aidenn0 4y ago
    Indeed; policies without consequences for violating them might as well not be policies. My sister and I used to complain that our parents were more strict than everyone else's. My mom talked to my friends' moms and said "they all have about the same rules we do." My reply was "but they get yelled at for five minutes tops when they break the rules, and we get grounded!"
- opportune 4y ago
  Big difference between taking action only after it generates bad press vs clamping down on it well before.
hef19898 4y ago
Amazon terminates you just for looking up someones order history beyond the need-to-kmow basis to solve a certain CS ticket. And rightly so. Well, Amazon doesn't like unions neither.
- cheeze 4y ago
  I will say, as much as I dislike many of the antics of Amazon, I am imrpessed in how much they push for keeping customer trust. Which is terrifying to me, they have to be a top company in that aspect, and I don't even fully trust them to get it right. The little guy, unfortunately, has no chance :/
  - recursive 4y ago
    Amazon trying to keep trust? Have they done anything about commingled inventory and counterfeits yet?
    - asdff 4y ago
      They at least are pretty painless on returning the counterfeits unlike the other retailers pushing junk these days
      - recursive 4y ago
        That's fine for paper towels I guess. But that doesn't cut it when there's a safety issue, which is most of the time.
- bb88 4y ago
  Amazon audits the use of the order database. As do banks for deposit information. As do google for looking up the contents of what's in someone's drive, etc, etc. We've come to expect privacy as a first class right. That's why turning a customer's potentially embarrassing action into an internally shared meme feels like an extreme violation.
  - 4y ago
JeremyNT 4y ago
The kind of nonsense described in this story is exactly what I'd expect from an early stage software startup back in the early '00s, when I was first getting started (not in SV, mind). It was common to mock people and create memes for any reason (the Basecamp "foreign sounding name" kerfuffle very much reminds me of this). This kind of culture was unacceptable back then, of course, but the founders and owners were little more than children themselves. It was at least understandable if not excusable. What completely boggles my mind is that, some 20 years later, this kind of culture is still happening. And it's not happening at some small tech startup founded and run by young men barely out of school - it's happening at a wildly successful car company which has been around for over a decade run by the richest man in the world. The culture at Tesla must be rotten to the very core for this to persist so long.
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- TheHappyOddish 4y ago
  > What completely boggles my mind is that, some 20 years later, this kind of culture is still happening. Why? Do you feel human nature has evolved in the span of 20 years? Or more money in the industry begets professionalism?

kjs3 4y ago

Corp culture comes from the top. So...there you go.

verdverm 4y ago

Let's wait and see if these employees get fired, this just broke. Typically an investigation happens. Reminds me of the Uber Christmas party story where they had things like this on a projector

morkalork 4y ago
It's not like the memes were posted internally today, firing them now is just a reactionary response. The problem is that they let it go on the entire time before now.
masswerk 4y ago
Hum, > Tesla managers sometimes "would crack down on inappropriate sharing of images on public Mattermost channels since they claimed the practice violated company policy," Reuters wrote. somewhat implies that this has been a known issue for a while, already. (This shouldn't be triggered exclusively by a public scandal.)
- aidenn0 4y ago
  Indeed; policies without consequences for violating them might as well not be policies. My sister and I used to complain that our parents were more strict than everyone else's. My mom talked to my friends' moms and said "they all have about the same rules we do." My reply was "but they get yelled at for five minutes tops when they break the rules, and we get grounded!"
opportune 4y ago
Big difference between taking action only after it generates bad press vs clamping down on it well before.

hef19898 4y ago

Amazon terminates you just for looking up someones order history beyond the need-to-kmow basis to solve a certain CS ticket. And rightly so. Well, Amazon doesn't like unions neither.

cheeze 4y ago
I will say, as much as I dislike many of the antics of Amazon, I am imrpessed in how much they push for keeping customer trust. Which is terrifying to me, they have to be a top company in that aspect, and I don't even fully trust them to get it right. The little guy, unfortunately, has no chance :/
- recursive 4y ago
  Amazon trying to keep trust? Have they done anything about commingled inventory and counterfeits yet?
  - asdff 4y ago
    They at least are pretty painless on returning the counterfeits unlike the other retailers pushing junk these days
    - recursive 4y ago
      That's fine for paper towels I guess. But that doesn't cut it when there's a safety issue, which is most of the time.
bb88 4y ago
Amazon audits the use of the order database. As do banks for deposit information. As do google for looking up the contents of what's in someone's drive, etc, etc. We've come to expect privacy as a first class right. That's why turning a customer's potentially embarrassing action into an internally shared meme feels like an extreme violation.
- 4y ago

JeremyNT 4y ago

The kind of nonsense described in this story is exactly what I'd expect from an early stage software startup back in the early '00s, when I was first getting started (not in SV, mind). It was common to mock people and create memes for any reason (the Basecamp "foreign sounding name" kerfuffle very much reminds me of this). This kind of culture was unacceptable back then, of course, but the founders and owners were little more than children themselves. It was at least understandable if not excusable. What completely boggles my mind is that, some 20 years later, this kind of culture is still happening. And it's not happening at some small tech startup founded and run by young men barely out of school - it's happening at a wildly successful car company which has been around for over a decade run by the richest man in the world. The culture at Tesla must be rotten to the very core for this to persist so long.

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TheHappyOddish 4y ago
> What completely boggles my mind is that, some 20 years later, this kind of culture is still happening. Why? Do you feel human nature has evolved in the span of 20 years? Or more money in the industry begets professionalism?