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I’d expect that they don’t let employees have “easy access to the cameras' output” and for them to be able to share them “freely with other employees”. Are you

I’d expect that they don’t let employees have “easy access to the cameras' output” and for them to be able to share them “freely with other employees”. Are you really victim blaming here? Nasty.

lisasays 4y ago
Are you really victim blaming here? Nasty. Sure sounds like it.
sneak 4y ago
It's not victim blaming. They opted in to this when they bought a Tesla; the privacy policy clearly allows Tesla staff to access all data the car generates. It's available to anyone to review before purchase. If you don't want it, don't buy a Tesla.
- jjulius 4y ago
  Yeah, it is victim blaming. The expectation is that they're going to use that data to improve the vehicle, or something within that realm, not turn the videos/images into memes and then pass them around for the yucks. Edit: I'm open minded; in addition to downvoting, I'm genuinely curious why folk might think that I am incorrect here. Happy to correct my thought process.
  - jstarfish 4y ago
    Having sex in front of any camera tends to end in exactly one way. Their product line spells out "S3XY." Public technical failures are glossed over or ignored. Anyone expecting integrity from this company needs a reality check.
    - jjulius 4y ago
      >Anyone expecting integrity from this company needs a reality check. It's OK that some people are ignorant to what you, myself and many others are already well aware of. It doesn't make it their fault.
      - ifyoubuildit 4y ago
        In this case, it wasn't ok, insomuch as they experienced consequences that they wouldn't have if they had known or had been more skeptical. We should hold the companies accountable. But maybe we shouldn't be so quick to reassure people that they couldn't have prevented things like this, so that when the next predatory company puts out a predatory product, there will be a sort of collective knowledge that relying on a corporation's good will is probably not a great idea. Then we might actually have people reject products that do user hostile nonsense, and the market will have to respond. In other words, this kind of thing is the teachable moment that can make it so everyone can be aware of the things that we are.
- chickenpotpie 4y ago
  It is victim blaming. No reasonable person can keep up with all the privacy notices in their life. Did you read your cars privacy notices? How about your email? Your phone? Your kids school website? What about the terms and conditions for all of them? By the way, the Tesla privacy notice specifically says "no one but you would have knowledge of your activities, location, or history" but this article proves that's a lie.
  - sneak 4y ago
    > Did you read your cars privacy notices? How about your email? Your phone? Your kids school website? What about the terms and conditions for all of them? Yes. This is why I physically removed the GSM radio from my car, host my own email, use an outbound firewall on my computer, and don't have an OpenAI account. The terms matter. Clicking past them as if they don't exist isn't a reasonable action.
omginternets 4y ago
>Are you really victim blaming here? Nasty. There's room for both acknowledging that someone is a victim, and that this was fairly predictable. Just as a mugging victim doesn't deserve a mugging, they probably shouldn't walk down dark alleyways at night. And if they didn't know better ... well, that's a problem too.
- jjulius 4y ago
  >And if they didn't know better ... well, that's a problem too. Yes, but not necessarily their fault.
  - omginternets 4y ago
    Yes, we've established that.
- Arrath 4y ago
  Predictable, sure. Which says to me that the situation should have been predicted by the legal and HR teams before this division got fired up, leading to a robust code of conduct and compliance that would prevent this from happening in the first place, with heavy penalties for abuses and breaches.
  - omginternets 4y ago
    Yes, I agree with that too. It's not one or the other.

lisasays 4y ago

Are you really victim blaming here? Nasty. Sure sounds like it.

sneak 4y ago

It's not victim blaming. They opted in to this when they bought a Tesla; the privacy policy clearly allows Tesla staff to access all data the car generates. It's available to anyone to review before purchase. If you don't want it, don't buy a Tesla.

jjulius 4y ago
Yeah, it is victim blaming. The expectation is that they're going to use that data to improve the vehicle, or something within that realm, not turn the videos/images into memes and then pass them around for the yucks. Edit: I'm open minded; in addition to downvoting, I'm genuinely curious why folk might think that I am incorrect here. Happy to correct my thought process.
- jstarfish 4y ago
  Having sex in front of any camera tends to end in exactly one way. Their product line spells out "S3XY." Public technical failures are glossed over or ignored. Anyone expecting integrity from this company needs a reality check.
  - jjulius 4y ago
    >Anyone expecting integrity from this company needs a reality check. It's OK that some people are ignorant to what you, myself and many others are already well aware of. It doesn't make it their fault.
    - ifyoubuildit 4y ago
      In this case, it wasn't ok, insomuch as they experienced consequences that they wouldn't have if they had known or had been more skeptical. We should hold the companies accountable. But maybe we shouldn't be so quick to reassure people that they couldn't have prevented things like this, so that when the next predatory company puts out a predatory product, there will be a sort of collective knowledge that relying on a corporation's good will is probably not a great idea. Then we might actually have people reject products that do user hostile nonsense, and the market will have to respond. In other words, this kind of thing is the teachable moment that can make it so everyone can be aware of the things that we are.
chickenpotpie 4y ago
It is victim blaming. No reasonable person can keep up with all the privacy notices in their life. Did you read your cars privacy notices? How about your email? Your phone? Your kids school website? What about the terms and conditions for all of them? By the way, the Tesla privacy notice specifically says "no one but you would have knowledge of your activities, location, or history" but this article proves that's a lie.
- sneak 4y ago
  > Did you read your cars privacy notices? How about your email? Your phone? Your kids school website? What about the terms and conditions for all of them? Yes. This is why I physically removed the GSM radio from my car, host my own email, use an outbound firewall on my computer, and don't have an OpenAI account. The terms matter. Clicking past them as if they don't exist isn't a reasonable action.

omginternets 4y ago

>Are you really victim blaming here? Nasty. There's room for both acknowledging that someone is a victim, and that this was fairly predictable. Just as a mugging victim doesn't deserve a mugging, they probably shouldn't walk down dark alleyways at night. And if they didn't know better ... well, that's a problem too.

jjulius 4y ago
>And if they didn't know better ... well, that's a problem too. Yes, but not necessarily their fault.
- omginternets 4y ago
  Yes, we've established that.
Arrath 4y ago
Predictable, sure. Which says to me that the situation should have been predicted by the legal and HR teams before this division got fired up, leading to a robust code of conduct and compliance that would prevent this from happening in the first place, with heavy penalties for abuses and breaches.
- omginternets 4y ago
  Yes, I agree with that too. It's not one or the other.