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You bought a car with always-on cameras and always-on telemetry. What did you expect?

mdhb 4y ago
Piss off with this low grade comment. Obviously nobody expected that Tesla employees would be sharing photos of them fucking in their work chats for their own amusement.
- berkle4455 4y ago
  At this point we're about a week away from the CEO sharing the images on his garbage social media platform in the name of "free speech".
  - mrguyorama 4y ago
    He has literally done that. Multiple times he has shared images and videos from tesla's that were involved in a crash without permission.
- simion314 4y ago
  There always will be such employees, probably most of them are never find out or not made public.
  - vidarh 4y ago
    There will always be such employees, which is why actually privacy-minded companies strictly limits access to personal information, and carefully monitors the access of it.
    - A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
      It would be even better if that data was not collected to begin with. Alternatively, that this data would not leave the local hardware. But no.. everything has to be connected.
      - vidarh 4y ago
        You're right of course. The very best way to restricts employee access to personal information is to never have it in the first place.
  - mhoad 4y ago
    Not putting appropriate access controls around that data is a choice and one that I hope they end up paying dearly for in court.
  - vkou 4y ago
    ... Which is why companies that are ran by adults have access controls and audits for user data. Ones that aren't ran by adults get sued, and deserve everything they get coming to them.
iso1631 4y ago
My neighbor did. Pictures of me in my yard can be found forever on the internet, linked to me via face recognition, and inserted into GPT algorithms.
deebosong 4y ago
I'm legit "paranoid" (if you can even call it that at this point lol), but c'mon. Why blame the people who were promised privacy (like, I don't know, were they? Like isn't it a given that they were at this point? If I'm wrong, please do correct), and that promise was breached by the promisers? It's one thing to say, "It's expected at this point but they should have upheld their agreement to maintain privacy and respect for their customers," vs. blaming those whose privacies were betrayed. No?
addisonl 4y ago
I’d expect that they don’t let employees have “easy access to the cameras' output” and for them to be able to share them “freely with other employees”. Are you really victim blaming here? Nasty.
- lisasays 4y ago
  Are you really victim blaming here? Nasty. Sure sounds like it.
- sneak 4y ago
  It's not victim blaming. They opted in to this when they bought a Tesla; the privacy policy clearly allows Tesla staff to access all data the car generates. It's available to anyone to review before purchase. If you don't want it, don't buy a Tesla.
  - jjulius 4y ago
    Yeah, it is victim blaming. The expectation is that they're going to use that data to improve the vehicle, or something within that realm, not turn the videos/images into memes and then pass them around for the yucks. Edit: I'm open minded; in addition to downvoting, I'm genuinely curious why folk might think that I am incorrect here. Happy to correct my thought process.
    - jstarfish 4y ago
      Having sex in front of any camera tends to end in exactly one way. Their product line spells out "S3XY." Public technical failures are glossed over or ignored. Anyone expecting integrity from this company needs a reality check.
      - jjulius 4y ago
        >Anyone expecting integrity from this company needs a reality check. It's OK that some people are ignorant to what you, myself and many others are already well aware of. It doesn't make it their fault.
manigandham 4y ago
Customers expect privacy.
- giantg2 4y ago
  What they expect and what they are (currently) legally entitled to can be separate things. Same goes for the rights you were taught that you have in school and how they actually work in the legal system. Edit: why disagree?
GavinMcG 4y ago
This is a horrifying view of the world even on its face, but also: even if we anticipate that people might do the wrong thing, it is still wrong and it is still appropriate to condemn that wrong and call for justice.
- ColanR 4y ago
  > This is a horrifying view of the world even on its face The alternative is easily classified as naiveté.
  - GavinMcG 4y ago
    Yes, fine, but lacking all naiveté is a horrifying view of the world. We must have mechanisms for achieving justice after wrongdoing, and have faith that we can trust each other to do the right thing. Cf. Shaw: “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.”
    - ColanR 4y ago
      But even the unreasonable must first see the world as it is, so that he can adapt it to himself. I'm not advocating that we accept the status quo, but I do take issue with not seeing the status quo for what it is.
- jbaber 4y ago
  Is the OP saying Tesla shouldn't be condemned? When a friend's car gets stolen, I reserve the right to condemn the thief and tut-tut at her for leaving the doors unlocked.
  - GavinMcG 4y ago
    You can of course blame the victim while also blaming the perpetrator. As you point out, they're not mutually exclusive. But if your communication to your friend focused exclusively on her actions—like the comment does—then yes, I think that would be worthy of criticism.
chickenpotpie 4y ago
Unnecessary victim blaming. The implications of technology like this are significantly less obvious than you think they are. It's not even very obvious that Tesla's have in cabin cameras. It's not mentioned anywhere during the order process, it's a tiny footnote in the manual and the camera is very very very small. Backup cameras are standard on new cars nowadays so every car has at least one camera on it. Almost every new car has constant remote connection too for features like remote start or road side assistance. How do you know a Toyota prius isn't uploading footage?
thereare5lights 4y ago
Are you saying that expecting companies to not share explicit images of people in private moments is unreasonable?

mdhb 4y ago

Piss off with this low grade comment. Obviously nobody expected that Tesla employees would be sharing photos of them fucking in their work chats for their own amusement.

berkle4455 4y ago
At this point we're about a week away from the CEO sharing the images on his garbage social media platform in the name of "free speech".
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  He has literally done that. Multiple times he has shared images and videos from tesla's that were involved in a crash without permission.
simion314 4y ago
There always will be such employees, probably most of them are never find out or not made public.
- vidarh 4y ago
  There will always be such employees, which is why actually privacy-minded companies strictly limits access to personal information, and carefully monitors the access of it.
  - A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
    It would be even better if that data was not collected to begin with. Alternatively, that this data would not leave the local hardware. But no.. everything has to be connected.
    - vidarh 4y ago
      You're right of course. The very best way to restricts employee access to personal information is to never have it in the first place.
- mhoad 4y ago
  Not putting appropriate access controls around that data is a choice and one that I hope they end up paying dearly for in court.
- vkou 4y ago
  ... Which is why companies that are ran by adults have access controls and audits for user data. Ones that aren't ran by adults get sued, and deserve everything they get coming to them.

iso1631 4y ago

My neighbor did. Pictures of me in my yard can be found forever on the internet, linked to me via face recognition, and inserted into GPT algorithms.

deebosong 4y ago

I'm legit "paranoid" (if you can even call it that at this point lol), but c'mon. Why blame the people who were promised privacy (like, I don't know, were they? Like isn't it a given that they were at this point? If I'm wrong, please do correct), and that promise was breached by the promisers? It's one thing to say, "It's expected at this point but they should have upheld their agreement to maintain privacy and respect for their customers," vs. blaming those whose privacies were betrayed. No?

addisonl 4y ago

I’d expect that they don’t let employees have “easy access to the cameras' output” and for them to be able to share them “freely with other employees”. Are you really victim blaming here? Nasty.

lisasays 4y ago
Are you really victim blaming here? Nasty. Sure sounds like it.
sneak 4y ago
It's not victim blaming. They opted in to this when they bought a Tesla; the privacy policy clearly allows Tesla staff to access all data the car generates. It's available to anyone to review before purchase. If you don't want it, don't buy a Tesla.
- jjulius 4y ago
  Yeah, it is victim blaming. The expectation is that they're going to use that data to improve the vehicle, or something within that realm, not turn the videos/images into memes and then pass them around for the yucks. Edit: I'm open minded; in addition to downvoting, I'm genuinely curious why folk might think that I am incorrect here. Happy to correct my thought process.
  - jstarfish 4y ago
    Having sex in front of any camera tends to end in exactly one way. Their product line spells out "S3XY." Public technical failures are glossed over or ignored. Anyone expecting integrity from this company needs a reality check.
    - jjulius 4y ago
      >Anyone expecting integrity from this company needs a reality check. It's OK that some people are ignorant to what you, myself and many others are already well aware of. It doesn't make it their fault.

manigandham 4y ago

Customers expect privacy.

giantg2 4y ago
What they expect and what they are (currently) legally entitled to can be separate things. Same goes for the rights you were taught that you have in school and how they actually work in the legal system. Edit: why disagree?

GavinMcG 4y ago

This is a horrifying view of the world even on its face, but also: even if we anticipate that people might do the wrong thing, it is still wrong and it is still appropriate to condemn that wrong and call for justice.

ColanR 4y ago
> This is a horrifying view of the world even on its face The alternative is easily classified as naiveté.
- GavinMcG 4y ago
  Yes, fine, but lacking all naiveté is a horrifying view of the world. We must have mechanisms for achieving justice after wrongdoing, and have faith that we can trust each other to do the right thing. Cf. Shaw: “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.”
  - ColanR 4y ago
    But even the unreasonable must first see the world as it is, so that he can adapt it to himself. I'm not advocating that we accept the status quo, but I do take issue with not seeing the status quo for what it is.
jbaber 4y ago
Is the OP saying Tesla shouldn't be condemned? When a friend's car gets stolen, I reserve the right to condemn the thief and tut-tut at her for leaving the doors unlocked.
- GavinMcG 4y ago
  You can of course blame the victim while also blaming the perpetrator. As you point out, they're not mutually exclusive. But if your communication to your friend focused exclusively on her actions—like the comment does—then yes, I think that would be worthy of criticism.

chickenpotpie 4y ago

Unnecessary victim blaming. The implications of technology like this are significantly less obvious than you think they are. It's not even very obvious that Tesla's have in cabin cameras. It's not mentioned anywhere during the order process, it's a tiny footnote in the manual and the camera is very very very small. Backup cameras are standard on new cars nowadays so every car has at least one camera on it. Almost every new car has constant remote connection too for features like remote start or road side assistance. How do you know a Toyota prius isn't uploading footage?

thereare5lights 4y ago

Are you saying that expecting companies to not share explicit images of people in private moments is unreasonable?