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>We do care about privacy Nobody in the world actually cares about privacy. All the GDPR stuff did was ruin every website on the internet, most people click ac

>We do care about privacy Nobody in the world actually cares about privacy. All the GDPR stuff did was ruin every website on the internet, most people click accept all, few people click deny because they are paranoid, everyone still uses instagram, facebook, and iphones which constantly broadcast your information to Apple. e.t.c. But at least the politicians get to strut around pretending like they did something. >worker's right No, you guys care about worker equality. Workers right means that if I want to work extra to beat my colleagues for promotion, and forgo having a family, I should be able to. EU laws say, "No, you cannot do this because its unfair to all the people that want to have families and work less". To be clear, worker equality is not a bad thing, since it does guarantee a lot of protection, but on the flip side, it doesn't allow for as much innovation. EU could easily beat US if it allowed the same level of corporate freedom instead of trying to pass labor regulation laws, and focused resources of worker protection on things like unemployment insurance.

lm28469 4y ago
> All the GDPR stuff did was ruin every website on the internet, most people click accept all, few people click deny because they are paranoid, everyone still uses instagram, facebook, and iphones which constantly broadcast your information to Apple. e.t.c. But at least the politicians get to strut around pretending like they did something. Then you clearly don't know what GDPR is and how different companies treat data in the US and in Europe. > No, you guys care about worker equality Ok, call it whatever you want, is it mathematically and objectively inferior to your superior American Standards Of Ethics And Morals ? Just follow the damn law, it's really not that hard. Add a pop up, ask for consent, detail what the data is used for, don't collect what you don't need. It really isn't hard, if you american super-geniuses can't do that you should stop flexing your tech capabilities. 90% of what is in GDPR should be standard when handling data, if you can't comply with it you don't care about data privacy in the first place. > EU could easily beat US Beat it at what game ? You're exactly the stereotype I'm talking about, if all that matter is money then you're 100% right. But then again if we talk about social security, paid parental leave, paid vacation, work life balance, &c. it's a whole other story. Feel free to do whatever you want in your country but don't come to other continents and try to force it down out throats > EU laws say, "No, you cannot do this because its unfair to all the people that want to have families and work less". Which law are you referencing ?
- ActorNightly 4y ago
  You are way overestimating the actual effect that GDPR has on what people think data privacy is, i.e companies not having insight into personal lives. > if all that matter is money then you're 100% right. Money is the only thing that matters. Every EU benefit that you get costs money, its just paid for indirectly.
mftrhu 4y ago
"No-one cares about privacy, they just pretend they do" is a dismissive non-argument. "You don't care about workers' rights, you care about worker equality" is word games: you are just re-defining what that expression means.
- ActorNightly 4y ago
  How many people do you know that run a rooted android phone with nothing google, no social media apps, and use something like Firefox focus for browsing? Thats what caring about privacy is. If you use an iPhone or Mac that sends all your data for Apple to use in their own ad servers, but claim that you are against companies tracking you, you are a hypocrite, plain and simple. As for rights vs equality, no, its not word games. They are two very different things. Rights is the ability to do things without anyone getting in your way. Equality means that protections (and restrictions) are offered to everyone regardless of how much money they make
kyriakos 4y ago
Replying about the GDPR point, it is not about putting cookie banners and in my country alone I have witnessed it's benefits several times when companies who used to abuse people's data got in trouble.
- ActorNightly 4y ago
  Few examples of positive outcome doesn't mean that there was a net good. https://techcrunch.com/2019/08/10/most-eu-cookie-consent-notices-are-meaningless-or-manipulative-study-finds/ https://techcrunch.com/2019/08/10/most-eu-cookie-consent-not... If EU wanted to privacy right, the solution would have been a technological one instead of a policy one. The whole GDPR thing was simply a show put on by politicians, nothing more.
MattPalmer1086 4y ago
Not this again. GDPR references cookies only once, along with IP addresses and other things, as examples of things that can be used to identify people. It made no law on how all of those things should be handled. It was the ePrivacy Directive that actually regulated cookie use. https://gdpr.eu/cookies/ https://gdpr.eu/cookies/
register 4y ago
This is pure bullshit. Nobody in Europe is preventing anybody to work himself to the death if he wants to. What it is prevented is to have somebody work himself to death on UNPAID overtime. This is just exploitation .
- ActorNightly 4y ago
  EU Working Time Directive of max 48 hours?

lm28469 4y ago

> All the GDPR stuff did was ruin every website on the internet, most people click accept all, few people click deny because they are paranoid, everyone still uses instagram, facebook, and iphones which constantly broadcast your information to Apple. e.t.c. But at least the politicians get to strut around pretending like they did something. Then you clearly don't know what GDPR is and how different companies treat data in the US and in Europe. > No, you guys care about worker equality Ok, call it whatever you want, is it mathematically and objectively inferior to your superior American Standards Of Ethics And Morals ? Just follow the damn law, it's really not that hard. Add a pop up, ask for consent, detail what the data is used for, don't collect what you don't need. It really isn't hard, if you american super-geniuses can't do that you should stop flexing your tech capabilities. 90% of what is in GDPR should be standard when handling data, if you can't comply with it you don't care about data privacy in the first place. > EU could easily beat US Beat it at what game ? You're exactly the stereotype I'm talking about, if all that matter is money then you're 100% right. But then again if we talk about social security, paid parental leave, paid vacation, work life balance, &c. it's a whole other story. Feel free to do whatever you want in your country but don't come to other continents and try to force it down out throats > EU laws say, "No, you cannot do this because its unfair to all the people that want to have families and work less". Which law are you referencing ?

ActorNightly 4y ago
You are way overestimating the actual effect that GDPR has on what people think data privacy is, i.e companies not having insight into personal lives. > if all that matter is money then you're 100% right. Money is the only thing that matters. Every EU benefit that you get costs money, its just paid for indirectly.

mftrhu 4y ago

"No-one cares about privacy, they just pretend they do" is a dismissive non-argument. "You don't care about workers' rights, you care about worker equality" is word games: you are just re-defining what that expression means.

ActorNightly 4y ago
How many people do you know that run a rooted android phone with nothing google, no social media apps, and use something like Firefox focus for browsing? Thats what caring about privacy is. If you use an iPhone or Mac that sends all your data for Apple to use in their own ad servers, but claim that you are against companies tracking you, you are a hypocrite, plain and simple. As for rights vs equality, no, its not word games. They are two very different things. Rights is the ability to do things without anyone getting in your way. Equality means that protections (and restrictions) are offered to everyone regardless of how much money they make

kyriakos 4y ago

Replying about the GDPR point, it is not about putting cookie banners and in my country alone I have witnessed it's benefits several times when companies who used to abuse people's data got in trouble.

ActorNightly 4y ago
Few examples of positive outcome doesn't mean that there was a net good. https://techcrunch.com/2019/08/10/most-eu-cookie-consent-notices-are-meaningless-or-manipulative-study-finds/ https://techcrunch.com/2019/08/10/most-eu-cookie-consent-not... If EU wanted to privacy right, the solution would have been a technological one instead of a policy one. The whole GDPR thing was simply a show put on by politicians, nothing more.

MattPalmer1086 4y ago

Not this again. GDPR references cookies only once, along with IP addresses and other things, as examples of things that can be used to identify people. It made no law on how all of those things should be handled. It was the ePrivacy Directive that actually regulated cookie use. https://gdpr.eu/cookies/ https://gdpr.eu/cookies/

This is pure bullshit. Nobody in Europe is preventing anybody to work himself to the death if he wants to. What it is prevented is to have somebody work himself to death on UNPAID overtime. This is just exploitation .

ActorNightly 4y ago
EU Working Time Directive of max 48 hours?