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A case of fatal multi-organ inflammation following COVID-19 vaccination

29 points by shaicoleman 4y ago

Ygg2 4y ago
Posting this on Reddit would probably get you banned. Was banned from subreddit mentioning that getting a vaccine didn't stop me getting COVID-19. And that COVID response varied from person to person. Had vaccinated friends that had it rough and, unvaccinated friends that didn't feel it.
- chomp 4y ago
  Depends on the context and subreddit. There are concern trolls out there who will pepper findings like this across subreddits and even this site, just to encourage chaos to ensue as antivax people crawl out of the woodwork to get on their political soapboxes. There are also well meaning people who find this stuff interesting and like to discuss and read about unique cases such as this. I am not casting you as antivax at all, but your comment is somewhat an example of the former. Nothing in this case relates to Reddit or moderation policies.
- hammyhavoc 4y ago
  Which sub was this on?
  - Ygg2 4y ago
    /r/worldnews of all places.
    - hammyhavoc 4y ago
      Not had good experiences there either. I've largely given up on Reddit, the communities live and die by their mods, and most aren't good mods.
- deleted 4y ago
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tolstoshev 4y ago
My guess would be an undiagnosed case of HLH, which leads to your NK cells not functioning properly. https://www.dana-farber.org/childhood-hemophagocytic-lymphohistiocytosis/ https://www.dana-farber.org/childhood-hemophagocytic-lymphoh... I'm betting the vaccine triggered the cytokine storm, rather than a virus itself which the most common triggering event. It's such a rare disease that by the time it's diagnosed, it's too late to intervene with steroids and chemo drugs to stop the runaway immune system.
ALittleLight 4y ago
What a wretched thing. My wife was pregnant when the vaccines came out and we had to make a decision on whether to get her vaccinated, which might provide COVID protection to our newborn, or to avoid the risk of a relatively new vaccine and pregnancy complications. This was further complicated by the fact that initially our doctor advised against talking the vaccine while pregnant, and then suddenly flipped to strongly encouraging us to take it without any new evidence - pressuring us by warning that our child might catch COVID in the hospital at birth. All this complicated still more by the fact that I know the medical establishment in the US repeatedly lied and got major things wrong with respect to COVID. COVID, and the vaccine, are very difficult decisions for people. I can't imagine the loss for this family or how horrible it would be to try to make the best decision to keep your child safe and wind up with this - against all odds. I found it interesting that there's such a wide discrepancy between myocarditis numbers in the US versus the Nordic countries. I wonder what phenomenon explains that.
- nerpderp82 4y ago
  > such a wide discrepancy between myocarditis numbers in the US versus the Nordic countries. Could you put this in absolute numbers? Which one is greater?
  - ALittleLight 4y ago
    I think it's an order of magnitude more likely in the Nordic study, unless I'm misreading something. From the Discussion section of this article - Reports of myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination have increased since the report by Albert et al. [6]. The frequency of occurrence of myocarditis and pericarditis has been reported in a US military survey including 23 cases of myocarditis/2,800,000 persons with a mean age of 25 years, all males, and no deaths [7]. A total of 40 U.S. hospitals reported 20 cases/2,000,287 with myocarditis and 37 cases/2,000,287 with pericarditis; both groups showed male predilection, mean age of onset of 36 years for myocarditis and 59 years for pericarditis, and no deaths in either group [8]. The Nordic cohort study reported that myocarditis occurred in 1,077/23,122,522 patients and pericarditis in 1,149/23,122,522 patients; both were more common in young men aged 16–24 years and most commonly occurred after the second vaccination [9].
Haga 4y ago
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Ygg2 4y ago
Why was this flagged? It's just a study? While I support vaccines in general, I also see that in this specific case, a highly experimental vaccine with weak effects (doesn't prevent COVID-19 infection) and possible side effects needs to be discussed. It doesn't take a conspiracy theorist to imagine that pharmaceutical companies would have a vested interest in promoting a vaccine that needs to be constantly updated (I remember talks of dose #3 and #4 and so on).
- klyrs 4y ago
  An n=1 study on a highly politicized issue is flamebait. It shouldn't be, but this is the reality.
  - Ygg2 4y ago
    > An n=1 study on a highly politicized issue is flamebait. It still needs investigating, you do no side favors if you just bury the findings and prevent all discussions.
    - klyrs 4y ago
      The health of this site depends on curation of stories to promote thoughtful discussion. Doing either "side" favors does not factor as much as you might want.
    - adamkochanowicz 4y ago
      Investigating would be looking at a body of research. How is cherry picking one person's experience doing any favors for objectivity?
      - Ygg2 4y ago
        You have a 14 year old with no known issues just keeling over and dying from vaccine. I don't think she's was first, but it's a first clear cut case. Even if it tells you nothing about vaccine, it might tell you plenty about how immune system works, if just some DNA fragment can kill you.

29 points by shaicoleman 4y ago

Ygg2 4y ago

Posting this on Reddit would probably get you banned. Was banned from subreddit mentioning that getting a vaccine didn't stop me getting COVID-19. And that COVID response varied from person to person. Had vaccinated friends that had it rough and, unvaccinated friends that didn't feel it.

chomp 4y ago
Depends on the context and subreddit. There are concern trolls out there who will pepper findings like this across subreddits and even this site, just to encourage chaos to ensue as antivax people crawl out of the woodwork to get on their political soapboxes. There are also well meaning people who find this stuff interesting and like to discuss and read about unique cases such as this. I am not casting you as antivax at all, but your comment is somewhat an example of the former. Nothing in this case relates to Reddit or moderation policies.
hammyhavoc 4y ago
Which sub was this on?
- Ygg2 4y ago
  /r/worldnews of all places.
  - hammyhavoc 4y ago
    Not had good experiences there either. I've largely given up on Reddit, the communities live and die by their mods, and most aren't good mods.
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tolstoshev 4y ago

My guess would be an undiagnosed case of HLH, which leads to your NK cells not functioning properly. https://www.dana-farber.org/childhood-hemophagocytic-lymphohistiocytosis/ https://www.dana-farber.org/childhood-hemophagocytic-lymphoh... I'm betting the vaccine triggered the cytokine storm, rather than a virus itself which the most common triggering event. It's such a rare disease that by the time it's diagnosed, it's too late to intervene with steroids and chemo drugs to stop the runaway immune system.

ALittleLight 4y ago

What a wretched thing. My wife was pregnant when the vaccines came out and we had to make a decision on whether to get her vaccinated, which might provide COVID protection to our newborn, or to avoid the risk of a relatively new vaccine and pregnancy complications. This was further complicated by the fact that initially our doctor advised against talking the vaccine while pregnant, and then suddenly flipped to strongly encouraging us to take it without any new evidence - pressuring us by warning that our child might catch COVID in the hospital at birth. All this complicated still more by the fact that I know the medical establishment in the US repeatedly lied and got major things wrong with respect to COVID. COVID, and the vaccine, are very difficult decisions for people. I can't imagine the loss for this family or how horrible it would be to try to make the best decision to keep your child safe and wind up with this - against all odds. I found it interesting that there's such a wide discrepancy between myocarditis numbers in the US versus the Nordic countries. I wonder what phenomenon explains that.

nerpderp82 4y ago
> such a wide discrepancy between myocarditis numbers in the US versus the Nordic countries. Could you put this in absolute numbers? Which one is greater?
- ALittleLight 4y ago
  I think it's an order of magnitude more likely in the Nordic study, unless I'm misreading something. From the Discussion section of this article - Reports of myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination have increased since the report by Albert et al. [6]. The frequency of occurrence of myocarditis and pericarditis has been reported in a US military survey including 23 cases of myocarditis/2,800,000 persons with a mean age of 25 years, all males, and no deaths [7]. A total of 40 U.S. hospitals reported 20 cases/2,000,287 with myocarditis and 37 cases/2,000,287 with pericarditis; both groups showed male predilection, mean age of onset of 36 years for myocarditis and 59 years for pericarditis, and no deaths in either group [8]. The Nordic cohort study reported that myocarditis occurred in 1,077/23,122,522 patients and pericarditis in 1,149/23,122,522 patients; both were more common in young men aged 16–24 years and most commonly occurred after the second vaccination [9].

Haga 4y ago

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Ygg2 4y ago

Why was this flagged? It's just a study? While I support vaccines in general, I also see that in this specific case, a highly experimental vaccine with weak effects (doesn't prevent COVID-19 infection) and possible side effects needs to be discussed. It doesn't take a conspiracy theorist to imagine that pharmaceutical companies would have a vested interest in promoting a vaccine that needs to be constantly updated (I remember talks of dose #3 and #4 and so on).

klyrs 4y ago
An n=1 study on a highly politicized issue is flamebait. It shouldn't be, but this is the reality.
- Ygg2 4y ago
  > An n=1 study on a highly politicized issue is flamebait. It still needs investigating, you do no side favors if you just bury the findings and prevent all discussions.
  - klyrs 4y ago
    The health of this site depends on curation of stories to promote thoughtful discussion. Doing either "side" favors does not factor as much as you might want.
  - adamkochanowicz 4y ago
    Investigating would be looking at a body of research. How is cherry picking one person's experience doing any favors for objectivity?
    - Ygg2 4y ago
      You have a 14 year old with no known issues just keeling over and dying from vaccine. I don't think she's was first, but it's a first clear cut case. Even if it tells you nothing about vaccine, it might tell you plenty about how immune system works, if just some DNA fragment can kill you.