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Teacher shortage, construction worker shortage.... Meanwhile people are flocking to tech and finance and medical careers. This article acts like it's a giant

Teacher shortage, construction worker shortage.... Meanwhile people are flocking to tech and finance and medical careers. This article acts like it's a giant mystery as to why this is the case.

Arrath 4y ago
The disdain of the working class is a hell of a drug. Not to say classism is solely or even largely responsible, but it must surely play a part.
- HeyLaughingBoy 4y ago
  I really don't see that around here. It's all about the pay (and benefits).
  - throwawaaarrgh 4y ago
    What you get paid determines your class
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    - kevviiinn 4y ago
      More like how you get paid If you get paid a salary by working for someone else you are working class and if you get paid through your investments alone such as owning stock or a company then you are a member of the capital owning class. Retirement funds and investment funds are there so workers feel like there's less of a distinction between themselves and the class they are beholden to even though that truly isn't the case
      - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
        >If you get paid a salary by working for someone else you are working class A PM for a tech company, most FAANG ICs, a doctor who doesn't have an ownership stake in the practice they work for, an enterprise salesman, a wall street trader all work for someone else and NONE of them are working class for the purposes of this discussion.
        kevviiinn 4y ago
        They definitely are working class. Splitting up the working class is exactly what capital owners want, it keeps workers pointing fingers at each other instead of paying attention to the ones who are actually exploiting and profiting from their labor
        dsfyu404ed 4y ago
        As much as I disagree with Marx your comment and the one I initially replied to fit really well in the context of "the petite bourgeoisie cozying up to the lower class in order to use their muscle to get themselves installed in place of the upper class" concept he wrote about. There are huge social and cultural gulfs between the top, middle and bottom and they each have their own distinct cultures and there is natural conflict that stems from that (I would go so far as to say "most" does). Obviously some people manage to straddle the lines but the gulfs are very much there.
        kevviiinn 4y ago
        There may be cultural differences but that doesn't necessarily divide the working class. The capital owning class, however, definitely takes advantage of it to create rifts and move focus away from improving the material conditions of all workers. You can see it in the way that media discusses so many issues, especially in the context of union issues like the recent rail strikes in the UK
        bawolff 4y ago
        I think its silly to divide people into only 2 classes as if its a binary.
lockhouse 4y ago
Medical has been short on workers since at least COVID.
- kevviiinn 4y ago
  At least partially thanks to cost cutting measures by hospitals et al
WarOnPrivacy 4y ago
A primary cause of unfilled jobs: Folks can't afford to live where the job is, on what the job pays. The article tosses unemployment stats. However (like every article that does that), it doesn't mention that BLS's official unemployment figure is ~20 percentage points lower than the actual number of unemployed[1]. This means there are many more millions who could benefit from those jobs but have no realistic access to them. > Meanwhile people are flocking to tech and finance and medical careers. The folks flocking to well-paying jobs are typically folks who have have paid-for college - and enough cash on hand to get established where the job is. Without both of those things, the odds of high-paying tech/finance/medical employment is fairly low. [1] If you take the total number of 16-64 working ft & pt and subtract it from the total number of 16-64, you are left with a 20% difference. Officially, this 20% is neither employed nor unemployed. note: BLS counts people who are self-employed and people who work w/o wages (eg: cargiving) as employed. ref: https://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm https://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm
- notch898a 4y ago
  Almost 10% of 16-64 are college students. A significant portion of the remainder 20% are stay at home mom/dad with no desire for a full time job.
- e_i_pi_2 4y ago
  > Folks can't afford to live where the job is, on what the job pays We could make some fairly simple formula like "The minimum annual pay must be at least 10% of the median house price" - the percentage can be whatever but then it automatically changes each year based on the housing market, and would help ensure that people can live near there job, which also has a side benefit of saving a bunch of time/energy on commuting

Teacher shortage, construction worker shortage.... Meanwhile people are flocking to tech and finance and medical careers. This article acts like it's a giant mystery as to why this is the case.

Arrath 4y ago

The disdain of the working class is a hell of a drug. Not to say classism is solely or even largely responsible, but it must surely play a part.

HeyLaughingBoy 4y ago
I really don't see that around here. It's all about the pay (and benefits).
- throwawaaarrgh 4y ago
  What you get paid determines your class
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - kevviiinn 4y ago
    More like how you get paid If you get paid a salary by working for someone else you are working class and if you get paid through your investments alone such as owning stock or a company then you are a member of the capital owning class. Retirement funds and investment funds are there so workers feel like there's less of a distinction between themselves and the class they are beholden to even though that truly isn't the case
    - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
      >If you get paid a salary by working for someone else you are working class A PM for a tech company, most FAANG ICs, a doctor who doesn't have an ownership stake in the practice they work for, an enterprise salesman, a wall street trader all work for someone else and NONE of them are working class for the purposes of this discussion.
      - kevviiinn 4y ago
        They definitely are working class. Splitting up the working class is exactly what capital owners want, it keeps workers pointing fingers at each other instead of paying attention to the ones who are actually exploiting and profiting from their labor
        dsfyu404ed 4y ago
        As much as I disagree with Marx your comment and the one I initially replied to fit really well in the context of "the petite bourgeoisie cozying up to the lower class in order to use their muscle to get themselves installed in place of the upper class" concept he wrote about. There are huge social and cultural gulfs between the top, middle and bottom and they each have their own distinct cultures and there is natural conflict that stems from that (I would go so far as to say "most" does). Obviously some people manage to straddle the lines but the gulfs are very much there.
        kevviiinn 4y ago
        There may be cultural differences but that doesn't necessarily divide the working class. The capital owning class, however, definitely takes advantage of it to create rifts and move focus away from improving the material conditions of all workers. You can see it in the way that media discusses so many issues, especially in the context of union issues like the recent rail strikes in the UK
      - bawolff 4y ago
        I think its silly to divide people into only 2 classes as if its a binary.

lockhouse 4y ago

Medical has been short on workers since at least COVID.

kevviiinn 4y ago
At least partially thanks to cost cutting measures by hospitals et al

WarOnPrivacy 4y ago

A primary cause of unfilled jobs: Folks can't afford to live where the job is, on what the job pays. The article tosses unemployment stats. However (like every article that does that), it doesn't mention that BLS's official unemployment figure is ~20 percentage points lower than the actual number of unemployed[1]. This means there are many more millions who could benefit from those jobs but have no realistic access to them. > Meanwhile people are flocking to tech and finance and medical careers. The folks flocking to well-paying jobs are typically folks who have have paid-for college - and enough cash on hand to get established where the job is. Without both of those things, the odds of high-paying tech/finance/medical employment is fairly low. [1] If you take the total number of 16-64 working ft & pt and subtract it from the total number of 16-64, you are left with a 20% difference. Officially, this 20% is neither employed nor unemployed. note: BLS counts people who are self-employed and people who work w/o wages (eg: cargiving) as employed. ref: https://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm https://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm

notch898a 4y ago
Almost 10% of 16-64 are college students. A significant portion of the remainder 20% are stay at home mom/dad with no desire for a full time job.
e_i_pi_2 4y ago
> Folks can't afford to live where the job is, on what the job pays We could make some fairly simple formula like "The minimum annual pay must be at least 10% of the median house price" - the percentage can be whatever but then it automatically changes each year based on the housing market, and would help ensure that people can live near there job, which also has a side benefit of saving a bunch of time/energy on commuting