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Because the Ukraine signed the Minsk agreements in bad faith with no intention of implementing them. "it is public knowledge" I suggest you read Wikipedia abo

by gdy 4y ago

Because the Ukraine signed the Minsk agreements in bad faith with no intention of implementing them. "it is public knowledge" I suggest you read Wikipedia about anti-Maidan unrest in the Eastern Ukraine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_pro-Russian_unrest_in_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_pro-Russian_unrest_in_Ukr...

jnsaff2 4y ago
I suggest you read Budapest Memorandum [0]. After russia blatantly violated its commitments from there any pointing out to Minsk is just idiotic. Any violation of Ukrainian internationally recognized borders has been highly illegal and no matter how much whitewashing you want to do you are shilling for genocide. Also you will remove any claim that it was putins war after Ukraine has won. Pointing out random events 9 years ago somehow justifies mass murder of civilians now? Also you need to go that far back to find anything at all is quite telling. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum
- medo-bear 4y ago
  its not that simple. ukranian nationalists overthrew an elected, internationally recognised government and as a consequence eastern ukranians revolted. its not very clear that budapest memorandum was violated at that point. no ammount of russia bashing can clarify that
  - jnsaff2 4y ago
    "After the annexation of Crimea by Russia in 2014, Canada,[25] France, Germany, Italy, Japan,[26] the UK,[27] and US[28][29] stated that Russian involvement was a breach of its Budapest Memorandum obligations to Ukraine and in violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity." Whats not clear about that?
    - medo-bear 4y ago
      for one, their authority and capacity to objectively judge. for two, their hypocricy
- gdy 4y ago
  "Pointing out random events 9 years ago somehow justifies mass murder" You are confused. You claimed that the sole reason of the war in 2014 was Russian meddling and I suggested you read how the events really unfolded. It's still not too late to do just that.
  - jnsaff2 4y ago
    How cute that a russian justifying russian war of aggression and genocide is gaslighting others with statements like "You are confused".
    - medo-bear 4y ago
      but you are confused. ukranian nationalists broke international law first. not only that but one of the first things the nationalists did after illegaly overthrowing an elected government was tell russia they were not going to be paying any outstanding debts. their policies only brought about what the whole world knew was gonna happen. never mind the feigned shock in the media. even my grandmother on the other side of europe knew what was gonna happen. the us egged them on to piss russia off. the eu told them to stay put. the us told ukranian nationalists infamously to "fuck the eu". its all common knowledge the people in the eu largely support ukraine because they dislike russia. but no one sees them as our freedom fighters. lol. everyone knows the us is behind it and when living standards accross europe deteriorate people will lose patience with both the ukraine and the us
      - jnsaff2 4y ago
        You have drunk the Kremlin propaganda really hard to think like that. You think in one thread that russia had the best revolution in the history and in an another you call Ukrainian revolution illegal. Also even if you don’t like that another country shakes lose of autocrat cronies, how does any of that justify tanks and bombs and Bucha? Your thinking is comparable to a common thug: you were speeding, therefore I can kill all your relatives, rape your wife and kids.
        4y ago

by gdy 4y ago

jnsaff2 4y ago

I suggest you read Budapest Memorandum [0]. After russia blatantly violated its commitments from there any pointing out to Minsk is just idiotic. Any violation of Ukrainian internationally recognized borders has been highly illegal and no matter how much whitewashing you want to do you are shilling for genocide. Also you will remove any claim that it was putins war after Ukraine has won. Pointing out random events 9 years ago somehow justifies mass murder of civilians now? Also you need to go that far back to find anything at all is quite telling. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

medo-bear 4y ago
its not that simple. ukranian nationalists overthrew an elected, internationally recognised government and as a consequence eastern ukranians revolted. its not very clear that budapest memorandum was violated at that point. no ammount of russia bashing can clarify that
- jnsaff2 4y ago
  "After the annexation of Crimea by Russia in 2014, Canada,[25] France, Germany, Italy, Japan,[26] the UK,[27] and US[28][29] stated that Russian involvement was a breach of its Budapest Memorandum obligations to Ukraine and in violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity." Whats not clear about that?
  - medo-bear 4y ago
    for one, their authority and capacity to objectively judge. for two, their hypocricy
gdy 4y ago
"Pointing out random events 9 years ago somehow justifies mass murder" You are confused. You claimed that the sole reason of the war in 2014 was Russian meddling and I suggested you read how the events really unfolded. It's still not too late to do just that.
- jnsaff2 4y ago
  How cute that a russian justifying russian war of aggression and genocide is gaslighting others with statements like "You are confused".
  - medo-bear 4y ago
    but you are confused. ukranian nationalists broke international law first. not only that but one of the first things the nationalists did after illegaly overthrowing an elected government was tell russia they were not going to be paying any outstanding debts. their policies only brought about what the whole world knew was gonna happen. never mind the feigned shock in the media. even my grandmother on the other side of europe knew what was gonna happen. the us egged them on to piss russia off. the eu told them to stay put. the us told ukranian nationalists infamously to "fuck the eu". its all common knowledge the people in the eu largely support ukraine because they dislike russia. but no one sees them as our freedom fighters. lol. everyone knows the us is behind it and when living standards accross europe deteriorate people will lose patience with both the ukraine and the us
    - jnsaff2 4y ago
      You have drunk the Kremlin propaganda really hard to think like that. You think in one thread that russia had the best revolution in the history and in an another you call Ukrainian revolution illegal. Also even if you don’t like that another country shakes lose of autocrat cronies, how does any of that justify tanks and bombs and Bucha? Your thinking is comparable to a common thug: you were speeding, therefore I can kill all your relatives, rape your wife and kids.
      - 4y ago