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Again: Seems like the propagandists complaining that we've democratized misinformation. The state and powerful orgs/individuals has always had the resources to

by moate 4y ago

Again: Seems like the propagandists complaining that we've democratized misinformation. The state and powerful orgs/individuals has always had the resources to do this at scales large enough to be effective.

pjc50 4y ago
This is not good! This is like saying that since the state has always had the capacity to manufacture Sarin, why are we concerned about democratizing its manufacture to everyone?
- moate 4y ago
  Take it more like Marx saying “Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”. I don't like the status quo. If something will burn the whole system down faster, I'm fine with it. If you disagree with that stance, that's reasonable and I'm sure we could debate it over a beer sometime but (just a tip for anyone else reading it) you're not going to convince me here. Again, the problem here isn't the ability to make up lies, the problem is the internet (the ability to spread lies quickly and over great distances) and people being unwilling or unable to fact check information. It's not the sarin you need to fear, it's the bombers that can drop it.
  - fnimick 4y ago
    People who want to "burn the whole system down" rarely have any empathy for those who will get burned along with it. What about all the women, minorities, LGBTQ people, poor people, etc. who would suffer along the way? Shame on you.
    - moate 4y ago
      What about them? They're suffering already. The system was built up to keep power away from the unwashed masses and in the hands of a well financed few. Why do you think the electoral college exists? Why do you think we have a Senate? You want to talk politics sometime, I'm not very hard to find online, come at me on at forum where I'm not rate limited because I'm a firebrand.
edgyquant 4y ago
How is this democratized when it’s a tool controlled by a single entity?

by moate 4y ago

pjc50 4y ago

This is not good! This is like saying that since the state has always had the capacity to manufacture Sarin, why are we concerned about democratizing its manufacture to everyone?

moate 4y ago
Take it more like Marx saying “Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”. I don't like the status quo. If something will burn the whole system down faster, I'm fine with it. If you disagree with that stance, that's reasonable and I'm sure we could debate it over a beer sometime but (just a tip for anyone else reading it) you're not going to convince me here. Again, the problem here isn't the ability to make up lies, the problem is the internet (the ability to spread lies quickly and over great distances) and people being unwilling or unable to fact check information. It's not the sarin you need to fear, it's the bombers that can drop it.
- fnimick 4y ago
  People who want to "burn the whole system down" rarely have any empathy for those who will get burned along with it. What about all the women, minorities, LGBTQ people, poor people, etc. who would suffer along the way? Shame on you.
  - moate 4y ago
    What about them? They're suffering already. The system was built up to keep power away from the unwashed masses and in the hands of a well financed few. Why do you think the electoral college exists? Why do you think we have a Senate? You want to talk politics sometime, I'm not very hard to find online, come at me on at forum where I'm not rate limited because I'm a firebrand.

edgyquant 4y ago

How is this democratized when it’s a tool controlled by a single entity?