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Not really. The nature of Holodomor is only disputed by the historians who care to push a specific agenda - be it politically or ideologically motivated. USSR i

Not really. The nature of Holodomor is only disputed by the historians who care to push a specific agenda - be it politically or ideologically motivated. USSR is also did a fine job to whitewash any of its past crimes. > "that region had regular famines and dry seasons in the past, before USSR too, and it only stopped after 40s, when various actions were taken to improve agricultural stability there" - care to elaborate on this?

RedCondor 3y ago
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- scp_not_gpt 3y ago
  This not "evidence"; this is your (failed) attempts to build an F-tier argument by "spraying and praying" a bunch of rambling, unrelated sources. Anyway, I'm done wasting my braincells. Good luck in rebuilding communism for the umpteenth time (all previous attempts somehow resulted in deaths of millions and a totalitarian cult of personality springing up). You do you, comrade, I'm sure on n+1th time it will be different
  - RedCondor 3y ago
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- hydrok9 3y ago
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lisasays 3y ago
The nature of Holodomor is only disputed by the historians who care to push a specific agenda. You can believe that if you want. Without factual references to back up what you're saying, though - it's just a a flat, sweeping assertion.
hydrok9 3y ago
It's pretty clear that Stalin used the famine to help liquidize non-Russian groups who had strong identites and had resisted collectivization. Ukrainians were #1 on this list. It's a textbook play. https://www.amazon.ca/Holodomor-Reader-Sourcebook-1932-1933-Ukraine/dp/1894865294 https://www.amazon.ca/Holodomor-Reader-Sourcebook-1932-1933-...
- medo-bear 3y ago
  > Stalin used the famine to help liquidize non-Russian groups Stalin was an ethnic Georgian. Why would he do that?
  - hydrok9 3y ago
    Political stability and in order to gain their assets without compensation.
- bilqis 3y ago
  I think the source you’re linking is very biased, as well as your claims are very wild and require thorough proofs.
  - hydrok9 3y ago
    Have you read it? It's very comprehensive. I would highly recommend you do so if you are at all interested in the subject. What "non-biased" sources would you recommend? It's also not very wild, from a historical point of view, for an authoritarian leader to destroy or decimate ethnic groups or communities. In fact, it's extremely common, as it is an effective way of consolidating power.

RedCondor 3y ago

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scp_not_gpt 3y ago
This not "evidence"; this is your (failed) attempts to build an F-tier argument by "spraying and praying" a bunch of rambling, unrelated sources. Anyway, I'm done wasting my braincells. Good luck in rebuilding communism for the umpteenth time (all previous attempts somehow resulted in deaths of millions and a totalitarian cult of personality springing up). You do you, comrade, I'm sure on n+1th time it will be different
- RedCondor 3y ago
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hydrok9 3y ago
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lisasays 3y ago

The nature of Holodomor is only disputed by the historians who care to push a specific agenda. You can believe that if you want. Without factual references to back up what you're saying, though - it's just a a flat, sweeping assertion.

hydrok9 3y ago

It's pretty clear that Stalin used the famine to help liquidize non-Russian groups who had strong identites and had resisted collectivization. Ukrainians were #1 on this list. It's a textbook play. https://www.amazon.ca/Holodomor-Reader-Sourcebook-1932-1933-Ukraine/dp/1894865294 https://www.amazon.ca/Holodomor-Reader-Sourcebook-1932-1933-...

medo-bear 3y ago
> Stalin used the famine to help liquidize non-Russian groups Stalin was an ethnic Georgian. Why would he do that?
- hydrok9 3y ago
  Political stability and in order to gain their assets without compensation.
bilqis 3y ago
I think the source you’re linking is very biased, as well as your claims are very wild and require thorough proofs.
- hydrok9 3y ago
  Have you read it? It's very comprehensive. I would highly recommend you do so if you are at all interested in the subject. What "non-biased" sources would you recommend? It's also not very wild, from a historical point of view, for an authoritarian leader to destroy or decimate ethnic groups or communities. In fact, it's extremely common, as it is an effective way of consolidating power.